1 00:00:03,619 --> 00:00:02,510 it's me oh my gosh this is that triangle 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:03,629 you know there's explanation for 3 00:00:06,079 --> 00:00:04,770 everything that appeared in the 4 00:00:08,540 --> 00:00:06,089 Rendlesham forest incident 5 00:00:11,209 --> 00:00:08,550 it doesn't involve aliens at all it was 6 00:00:14,749 --> 00:00:11,219 completely silent it comes right over 7 00:00:16,580 --> 00:00:14,759 our heads it's so classic flying-saucer 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:16,590 really standing in the clearing he 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:18,210 turned over to my father and held his 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:25,050 hand and he looked in his eyes welcome 11 00:00:30,380 --> 00:00:28,410 to podcast UFO for our live show during 12 00:00:32,959 --> 00:00:30,390 the show feel free to participate live 13 00:00:35,319 --> 00:00:32,969 in our chat room and don't forget to 14 00:00:37,670 --> 00:00:35,329 like us on our very active Facebook page 15 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:37,680 well many of you are wondering if that 16 00:00:44,690 --> 00:00:40,170 dog barking in the intro is part of the 17 00:00:46,580 --> 00:00:44,700 intro no that's not 18 00:00:48,229 --> 00:00:46,590 and hopefully the dog will get a 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:48,239 milk-bone or something and settle down 20 00:00:51,830 --> 00:00:50,010 and that won't happen again 21 00:00:54,049 --> 00:00:51,840 but welcome to show on Martin Willis 22 00:00:56,450 --> 00:00:54,059 your host and this is our live show 23 00:00:58,670 --> 00:00:56,460 podcast UFO happy new year to everyone 24 00:01:02,420 --> 00:00:58,680 this is bat we're back on regular 25 00:01:05,390 --> 00:01:02,430 schedule here and glad to be and I hope 26 00:01:07,490 --> 00:01:05,400 everyone has a great 2019 we have some 27 00:01:10,490 --> 00:01:07,500 really awesome shows lined up coming up 28 00:01:13,070 --> 00:01:10,500 and I want to thank everyone that helps 29 00:01:15,770 --> 00:01:13,080 out with the show and you can check out 30 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:15,780 our website podcast UFO calm all that 31 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:17,490 informations over there occasionally we 32 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:19,770 get blogs we are looking for a blog 33 00:01:24,050 --> 00:01:22,350 we've had a few people send some blogs 34 00:01:27,590 --> 00:01:24,060 our way but we are looking for more I 35 00:01:29,539 --> 00:01:27,600 had I definitely get emails I I respond 36 00:01:31,219 --> 00:01:29,549 to some of my email saying are you 37 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:31,229 interested in writing blogs because you 38 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:34,290 just wrote me a 15 page email that I'll 39 00:01:39,890 --> 00:01:37,110 never read personally I might have a 40 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:39,900 voice to text link read it for me but 41 00:01:44,330 --> 00:01:42,090 anyway I have a little bit of a DD going 42 00:01:46,370 --> 00:01:44,340 on I cannot read those big huge huge 43 00:01:51,109 --> 00:01:46,380 humongous emails but I do appreciate 44 00:01:53,870 --> 00:01:51,119 them anyway and so and if you would like 45 00:01:55,550 --> 00:01:53,880 to get in contact with me all that 46 00:01:59,749 --> 00:01:55,560 information the contact information is 47 00:02:03,709 --> 00:01:59,759 over at podcast UFO comm so we are live 48 00:02:07,130 --> 00:02:03,719 on YouTube and simulcast on kgr a radio 49 00:02:09,229 --> 00:02:07,140 and that's it for me I'm going to get my 50 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:09,239 guest Alejandro Rojas 51 00:02:13,390 --> 00:02:12,000 how are you Alejandro I am good how are 52 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:13,400 you my friend 53 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:16,610 great great happy New Year to you Happy 54 00:02:22,660 --> 00:02:20,329 New Year and hey this is the night that 55 00:02:27,270 --> 00:02:22,670 the History Channel is coming out with 56 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:27,280 Project Blue Book to night then 82 hours 57 00:02:33,610 --> 00:02:31,609 yes so very exciting I'm really bummed I 58 00:02:35,890 --> 00:02:33,620 was invited this is so cool by Paul 59 00:02:38,050 --> 00:02:35,900 Hynek to go to his house and watch it 60 00:02:41,020 --> 00:02:38,060 tonight my goodness it out there how 61 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:41,030 amazing would that have say when I know 62 00:02:45,250 --> 00:02:43,250 to watch the premiere with the son of 63 00:02:48,610 --> 00:02:45,260 the guy who's in there and I did mention 64 00:02:50,559 --> 00:02:48,620 I you know I talked to him about if he 65 00:02:53,349 --> 00:02:50,569 was one of the kids that's in the show 66 00:02:56,379 --> 00:02:53,359 because in the show you know Hynek and 67 00:02:59,949 --> 00:02:56,389 mimi his wife are this young family and 68 00:03:02,890 --> 00:02:59,959 they do have I think a kid in a baby so 69 00:03:05,770 --> 00:03:02,900 far in the show now eventually he had 70 00:03:07,690 --> 00:03:05,780 several kids but Paul I guess was not 71 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:07,700 born or he was a baby at the time when 72 00:03:15,099 --> 00:03:10,489 all of at least what's portrayed in the 73 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:15,109 show is it stars all the time is a Scott 74 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:17,090 or Joel that is portrayed in the show I 75 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:18,889 can't remember I can't remember I know 76 00:03:23,170 --> 00:03:21,650 those are the two older brothers yeah so 77 00:03:25,839 --> 00:03:23,180 that's probably both of them that's 78 00:03:30,039 --> 00:03:25,849 probably the kid and the baby yeah yeah 79 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:30,049 well I'm elated about it and and I think 80 00:03:33,670 --> 00:03:31,609 there's gonna be I had someone contact 81 00:03:36,309 --> 00:03:33,680 me saying hey we're gonna get a bunch of 82 00:03:40,180 --> 00:03:36,319 UFO reports probably tomorrow and move 83 00:03:44,530 --> 00:03:40,190 on out in Chicago Sam I think so 84 00:03:46,180 --> 00:03:44,540 you know there this happens if they 85 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:46,190 mention MUFON is what it comes down to 86 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:48,530 because people have to know that there's 87 00:03:59,110 --> 00:03:51,500 someone to report to so there's Karen in 88 00:04:00,759 --> 00:03:59,120 the background there yes and that's the 89 00:04:02,979 --> 00:04:00,769 issue is that a lot of times people 90 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:02,989 don't know who to report to and we've 91 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:04,489 talked about this before but a lot of 92 00:04:09,339 --> 00:04:06,650 times people mention that sightings have 93 00:04:11,649 --> 00:04:09,349 dropped I argue and I think that the 94 00:04:13,780 --> 00:04:11,659 numbers show it that it it's not so much 95 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:13,790 that people are seeing less it's that 96 00:04:20,050 --> 00:04:17,930 during a period of time while the MAL 97 00:04:22,330 --> 00:04:20,060 MUFON had at their own television show 98 00:04:24,129 --> 00:04:22,340 you know that the sighting reporting 99 00:04:26,769 --> 00:04:24,139 skyrocketed because people knew where to 100 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:26,779 report to but now that that shows gone 101 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:27,290 the 102 00:04:32,230 --> 00:04:29,810 replays are kind of it's not being shown 103 00:04:33,820 --> 00:04:32,240 on replay very much anymore people are 104 00:04:36,430 --> 00:04:33,830 forgetting are just not knowing where to 105 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:36,440 report UFOs and so as a field 106 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:38,210 investigator when I used to be do that 107 00:04:41,350 --> 00:04:39,770 work for a MUFON we used to hear that 108 00:04:44,380 --> 00:04:41,360 all the time you know I just didn't know 109 00:04:45,790 --> 00:04:44,390 where to report and in fact if you asked 110 00:04:47,410 --> 00:04:45,800 most people out there you know did you 111 00:04:48,610 --> 00:04:47,420 report your UFO sighting if they tell 112 00:04:51,130 --> 00:04:48,620 you about one they'll say I guess I 113 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:51,140 didn't know I could that's right I got 114 00:04:57,010 --> 00:04:53,650 to tell you real quickly I was at a 115 00:05:00,550 --> 00:04:57,020 bagel a bagel place in my new location 116 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:00,560 Rockland Maine up on the coast and my 117 00:05:06,190 --> 00:05:03,290 lady friend with me was wearing a MUFON 118 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:06,200 hat and the guy behind the bagel counter 119 00:05:10,090 --> 00:05:08,570 said you know I had a sighting and he 120 00:05:12,610 --> 00:05:10,100 ended up telling me this amazing 121 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:12,620 sighting so now so amazing you know 122 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:15,710 missing time the whole works that I'm 123 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:17,690 inviting him over to the studio I'm 124 00:05:23,410 --> 00:05:20,450 gonna have him and in one of the shows 125 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:23,420 but how craziest settings I've ever 126 00:05:27,940 --> 00:05:25,610 heard in Maine this guy had so that's 127 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:27,950 good yeah yeah Karen likes to do that oh 128 00:05:31,390 --> 00:05:29,810 just what I mean she likes to wear UFO 129 00:05:33,310 --> 00:05:31,400 Congress sweaters or t-shirts and 130 00:05:34,900 --> 00:05:33,320 sometimes we do get people coming up and 131 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:34,910 asking yeah hey you know I had a 132 00:05:38,590 --> 00:05:36,650 sighting is you know what's this all 133 00:05:40,930 --> 00:05:38,600 about are sharing their sighting but the 134 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:40,940 same formations you just said he he 135 00:05:44,290 --> 00:05:42,290 didn't he couldn't think of where to 136 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:44,300 report it never reported it yeah yeah 137 00:05:48,670 --> 00:05:46,490 yeah I understand that because that's I 138 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:48,680 had my sighting I never thought about 139 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:51,410 anything online first of all I don't 140 00:05:56,740 --> 00:05:53,210 know why but I just it didn't occur to 141 00:05:58,660 --> 00:05:56,750 me and 2006 you know oh yeah exactly 142 00:06:00,970 --> 00:05:58,670 that's what happens with people so 143 00:06:02,860 --> 00:06:00,980 that's what it has to be now luckily you 144 00:06:05,020 --> 00:06:02,870 know I was gonna say getting into UFO 145 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:05,030 news really Blue Book Project Blue Book 146 00:06:09,940 --> 00:06:07,910 is the big UFO news right now there's 147 00:06:11,830 --> 00:06:09,950 not a lot and there hasn't been in the 148 00:06:14,830 --> 00:06:11,840 last few weeks it doesn't seem like a 149 00:06:16,780 --> 00:06:14,840 lot of UFO news so but there happened a 150 00:06:19,450 --> 00:06:16,790 lot of new stories and they're all tied 151 00:06:21,310 --> 00:06:19,460 to Project Blue Book so which is really 152 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:21,320 exciting because it looks like you know 153 00:06:24,910 --> 00:06:23,090 if I look at the some of these places 154 00:06:29,850 --> 00:06:24,920 that are writing and it's places like 155 00:06:32,230 --> 00:06:29,860 live science a geek wire bustle 156 00:06:34,180 --> 00:06:32,240 Hollywood Reporter so these are all 157 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:34,190 bigger they're all writing stories 158 00:06:39,790 --> 00:06:36,770 here's the Yakama Herald I saw some 159 00:06:40,850 --> 00:06:39,800 identity k-- yes and I was going to 160 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:40,860 mention that as 161 00:06:46,730 --> 00:06:43,770 well Chicago sun-times so there are a 162 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:46,740 lot of me of media writing UFO stories 163 00:06:51,290 --> 00:06:48,810 because of the project Bluebook show 164 00:06:53,029 --> 00:06:51,300 coming out which is probably due to you 165 00:06:56,209 --> 00:06:53,039 know the great outreach that they did 166 00:06:57,469 --> 00:06:56,219 they reached out to you and I and you're 167 00:06:59,959 --> 00:06:57,479 right I got to write a couple articles 168 00:07:02,330 --> 00:06:59,969 identity k-- and I definitely wouldn't 169 00:07:04,219 --> 00:07:02,340 recommend them and here's here's a the 170 00:07:08,290 --> 00:07:04,229 angle I took first of them one of them's 171 00:07:12,260 --> 00:07:08,300 a preview because you and I got to see 172 00:07:13,490 --> 00:07:12,270 and so it's around this idea you know 173 00:07:16,010 --> 00:07:13,500 some people have been complaining that 174 00:07:18,050 --> 00:07:16,020 it's not exactly accurate so I kind of 175 00:07:20,269 --> 00:07:18,060 tackle that which is it's true but I 176 00:07:21,909 --> 00:07:20,279 tackle some of the points and how it's 177 00:07:25,189 --> 00:07:21,919 not accurate but how some things 178 00:07:27,379 --> 00:07:25,199 although maybe not fact by fact accurate 179 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:27,389 or accurate in the sense that they're 180 00:07:33,860 --> 00:07:31,250 kind of portraying that an accurate 181 00:07:35,779 --> 00:07:33,870 setting you know the atmosphere and how 182 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:35,789 people like the air force there was no 183 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:37,529 captain Quinn like in the mood in the 184 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:40,650 show but captain Quinn does very well at 185 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:42,810 representing kind of this negativity and 186 00:07:47,540 --> 00:07:45,449 this kind of mystery and and is he 187 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:47,550 trying to debunk everything because he 188 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:49,020 thinks there's nothing to it or is there 189 00:07:54,379 --> 00:07:51,690 something more behind this and you know 190 00:07:58,189 --> 00:07:54,389 you get that sense and then Aidan Gillen 191 00:08:01,399 --> 00:07:58,199 who you know he in the show he comes in 192 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:01,409 in 1952 whereas in reality he joined the 193 00:08:08,300 --> 00:08:05,370 Air Force doing this in 1948 but the 194 00:08:10,909 --> 00:08:08,310 character that that Aidan Gillen is 195 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:10,919 portraying is kind of you know more 196 00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:13,650 open-minded than Hynek actually was in 197 00:08:19,219 --> 00:08:16,110 the beginning of his investigations and 198 00:08:21,730 --> 00:08:19,229 UFOs with the Air Force and so you get 199 00:08:24,679 --> 00:08:21,740 this real sense of this pure kind of 200 00:08:27,439 --> 00:08:24,689 open-minded curiosity is what I called 201 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:27,449 it in my preview and and I think that 202 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:31,050 it's very endearing and at least for me 203 00:08:34,579 --> 00:08:32,610 and I think you said the same you know 204 00:08:35,659 --> 00:08:34,589 you're really attracted to you really 205 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:35,669 like this guy 206 00:08:40,969 --> 00:08:38,010 as the hero going through and trying to 207 00:08:44,449 --> 00:08:40,979 figure this stuff out yes yeah I think I 208 00:08:46,850 --> 00:08:44,459 think I like his portrayal of the 209 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:46,860 character a lot better than Milwaukee's 210 00:08:53,930 --> 00:08:51,890 portrayal of the captain his I like 211 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:53,940 monarchy's portrayal but I wouldn't here 212 00:08:57,410 --> 00:08:54,450 why 213 00:08:59,150 --> 00:08:57,420 you don't like it I think it's now this 214 00:09:01,790 --> 00:08:59,160 is my only criticism of the show and 215 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:01,800 it's and it was brought up to me by 216 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:03,450 someone else and then I started thinking 217 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:05,130 about and I watched the six first six 218 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:07,650 episodes the screeners that I was able I 219 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:09,690 mentioned in the last show that was very 220 00:09:14,870 --> 00:09:11,880 fortunate to be able to watch that it's 221 00:09:17,780 --> 00:09:14,880 a little it's a little clunky it doesn't 222 00:09:21,110 --> 00:09:17,790 it's not it to me it doesn't seem like 223 00:09:21,980 --> 00:09:21,120 really natural you know maybe maybe I'm 224 00:09:24,140 --> 00:09:21,990 not 225 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:24,150 malarkey doesn't seem mad it doesn't 226 00:09:29,630 --> 00:09:27,930 seem like on the way he's just fluffing 227 00:09:32,060 --> 00:09:29,640 it off like it's nothing and the 228 00:09:34,070 --> 00:09:32,070 interaction between him and Hynek I 229 00:09:36,740 --> 00:09:34,080 didn't think was like a real connection 230 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:36,750 but by the sixth episode I think it's a 231 00:09:41,180 --> 00:09:38,880 little more natural but I noticed that 232 00:09:43,100 --> 00:09:41,190 in the first the first few see and 233 00:09:44,630 --> 00:09:43,110 that's what I think it's accurate about 234 00:09:47,300 --> 00:09:44,640 it they're meeting for the first time 235 00:09:50,780 --> 00:09:47,310 they're getting to know each other 236 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:50,790 malarkey or or captain Quinn is tasked 237 00:09:54,770 --> 00:09:52,410 with kind of debunking everything and 238 00:09:56,690 --> 00:09:54,780 making sure that this scientist you know 239 00:09:59,090 --> 00:09:56,700 comes up with mundane conclusions but 240 00:10:01,970 --> 00:09:59,100 he's not so he's got to rein in this 241 00:10:03,740 --> 00:10:01,980 scientist at the same time his superiors 242 00:10:06,410 --> 00:10:03,750 are telling him you know hey you gotta 243 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:06,420 shut this you know any idea that there's 244 00:10:11,450 --> 00:10:08,910 any mystery here down and so he's kind 245 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:11,460 of in the middle and I thought that that 246 00:10:16,490 --> 00:10:12,990 that was interesting and I know that's 247 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:16,500 gonna evolve over time but malarkey and 248 00:10:21,740 --> 00:10:18,650 it's kind of funny another comment 249 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:21,750 someone did on the open minds UFO group 250 00:10:27,470 --> 00:10:25,290 on Facebook was that he didn't act cocky 251 00:10:29,690 --> 00:10:27,480 enough and he acts very cocky I thought 252 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:29,700 I thought he was very cocky yeah but 253 00:10:33,860 --> 00:10:31,260 this guy was saying that you know Air 254 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:33,870 Force pilots are extremely cocky so you 255 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:35,730 know that was a good point because the 256 00:10:41,420 --> 00:10:38,450 other pilots that I've known yeah yeah 257 00:10:43,580 --> 00:10:41,430 but my other article on den of geek is 258 00:10:46,070 --> 00:10:43,590 an interview with malarkey and what was 259 00:10:48,950 --> 00:10:46,080 really interesting was talking to him 260 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:48,960 about you know his thoughts on blue book 261 00:10:54,830 --> 00:10:52,050 and kind of how his research into his 262 00:10:57,170 --> 00:10:54,840 character and into Project Blue Book in 263 00:10:59,090 --> 00:10:57,180 particular which is great him and the 264 00:11:02,780 --> 00:10:59,100 show writer that David O'Leary who we 265 00:11:04,910 --> 00:11:02,790 got to talk to have read rappels book 266 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:04,920 and Captain rappel he was a guy who ran 267 00:11:10,079 --> 00:11:08,290 Blue Book for a period of time and it 268 00:11:12,479 --> 00:11:10,089 it's the most important book probably in 269 00:11:14,939 --> 00:11:12,489 ufology estimate of the situation and 270 00:11:19,289 --> 00:11:14,949 they both read that book and it was 271 00:11:22,139 --> 00:11:19,299 really eye-opening for malarkey that to 272 00:11:24,239 --> 00:11:22,149 him you know it's proves that there is 273 00:11:26,869 --> 00:11:24,249 definitely something to the phenomena 274 00:11:30,059 --> 00:11:26,879 that there was a cover-up and that 275 00:11:32,099 --> 00:11:30,069 although he kind of feels for the Air 276 00:11:34,949 --> 00:11:32,109 Force probably partially because he's 277 00:11:36,509 --> 00:11:34,959 playing this role in that you know how 278 00:11:39,479 --> 00:11:36,519 are they supposed to handle this it's a 279 00:11:41,129 --> 00:11:39,489 difficult thing to handle so that's the 280 00:11:43,439 --> 00:11:41,139 other interview that I have out there 281 00:11:46,109 --> 00:11:43,449 but a lot of people writing about UFOs 282 00:11:48,269 --> 00:11:46,119 kind of in their area but a lot of news 283 00:11:50,729 --> 00:11:48,279 about how you know there's real UFO 284 00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:50,739 research that used to go on so that's 285 00:11:58,229 --> 00:11:53,889 the beauty of this this program even 286 00:12:01,199 --> 00:11:58,239 regardless of you know the drama or how 287 00:12:04,169 --> 00:12:01,209 we feel about kind of how the characters 288 00:12:05,939 --> 00:12:04,179 interact or or other things is that it's 289 00:12:07,859 --> 00:12:05,949 bringing awareness in fact I wrote in my 290 00:12:11,729 --> 00:12:07,869 article even if it's strayed from the 291 00:12:12,989 --> 00:12:11,739 truth dramatically it would still it's 292 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:12,999 still entertaining I think it would 293 00:12:19,049 --> 00:12:15,730 still bring awareness to the situation 294 00:12:21,329 --> 00:12:19,059 but to you know Project Blue Book but I 295 00:12:23,970 --> 00:12:21,339 think it's gonna not be as bad as 296 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:23,980 something people are fearful of right as 297 00:12:28,710 --> 00:12:25,569 far as string from the truth 298 00:12:31,049 --> 00:12:28,720 hey in a conversation I had with a you 299 00:12:34,049 --> 00:12:31,059 followed just a while ago I was talking 300 00:12:36,449 --> 00:12:34,059 about I would rupaul and he said that at 301 00:12:40,379 --> 00:12:36,459 the end he decided there wasn't anything 302 00:12:43,249 --> 00:12:40,389 to the UFO phenomena did you well what 303 00:12:47,429 --> 00:12:43,259 had happened is that he wrote his book 304 00:12:49,409 --> 00:12:47,439 and in the end he was kind of on the 305 00:12:51,749 --> 00:12:49,419 fence he was saying you know could there 306 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:51,759 possibly be something to this and when 307 00:12:55,710 --> 00:12:53,529 you read about some of the cases like 308 00:12:59,009 --> 00:12:55,720 Washington DC or some of the other cases 309 00:13:01,529 --> 00:12:59,019 that he really goes over in detail you 310 00:13:03,989 --> 00:13:01,539 you know there's no answer and he's 311 00:13:06,299 --> 00:13:03,999 saying that you know we debunked all of 312 00:13:10,139 --> 00:13:06,309 the the potential answer so for instance 313 00:13:12,719 --> 00:13:10,149 in 1952 Washington DC the general 314 00:13:14,969 --> 00:13:12,729 Sanford he came out and said this was 315 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:14,979 weather inversion that's why they saw 316 00:13:19,379 --> 00:13:17,889 this this these things on radar but they 317 00:13:21,269 --> 00:13:19,389 had already debunked that they had 318 00:13:22,170 --> 00:13:21,279 already determined no that was not the 319 00:13:24,180 --> 00:13:22,180 case so 320 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:24,190 in the book he's really arguing that 321 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:26,320 there are many cases that were unsolved 322 00:13:30,930 --> 00:13:28,930 and mysterious and so that was kind of 323 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:30,940 the conclusion well he came out with 324 00:13:36,930 --> 00:13:32,770 another volume soon after the book came 325 00:13:40,199 --> 00:13:36,940 out and this one was had this weird kind 326 00:13:42,540 --> 00:13:40,209 of conclusion where he's saying however 327 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:42,550 I think that all of this stuff can be 328 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:44,350 explained even the ones we haven't been 329 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:46,450 able to figure out so there's probably 330 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:48,490 nothing too mysterious to the whole UFO 331 00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:51,970 phenomena so he was much stronger on the 332 00:14:02,100 --> 00:13:58,000 skeptical side in that second look or a 333 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:02,110 second update the question is why did he 334 00:14:06,630 --> 00:14:05,050 do that what does he really feel we 335 00:14:08,519 --> 00:14:06,640 don't know because unfortunately he 336 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:08,529 passed away at a young age right 337 00:14:13,949 --> 00:14:11,050 not too long after writing that second 338 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:13,959 edition and just changing that and a bit 339 00:14:19,620 --> 00:14:17,050 so we don't know how he really truly 340 00:14:21,780 --> 00:14:19,630 felt or why he you know kind of changed 341 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:21,790 things up there it seems that there was 342 00:14:26,010 --> 00:14:24,010 certainly at least anecdotally a 343 00:14:28,140 --> 00:14:26,020 reaction that the Air Force wasn't happy 344 00:14:31,199 --> 00:14:28,150 that he had written this book and that 345 00:14:33,150 --> 00:14:31,209 they had maybe influenced him maybe just 346 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:33,160 peer to peer saying hey man you're 347 00:14:37,170 --> 00:14:35,410 making us look good can you kind of fix 348 00:14:39,180 --> 00:14:37,180 that up a little bit and he said okay 349 00:14:41,910 --> 00:14:39,190 and did it you know for his buddies or 350 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:41,920 something but yeah well ya know hmm 351 00:14:45,420 --> 00:14:44,110 yeah we'll never know yeah anything else 352 00:14:48,780 --> 00:14:45,430 going on or is that about it 353 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:48,790 no the only other thing I wanted to talk 354 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:53,170 about is this Roswell program real quick 355 00:14:58,140 --> 00:14:55,390 if you don't mind are you talking about 356 00:15:03,480 --> 00:14:58,150 the one ryan's break and u-boat you were 357 00:15:05,699 --> 00:15:03,490 involved in as well right yeah yes yeah 358 00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:05,709 I think I helped produce this thing so I 359 00:15:11,220 --> 00:15:08,470 I helped them put it together and figure 360 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:11,230 out some ideas how to do something for 361 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:12,850 Roswell of course Roswell is an old 362 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:15,970 story but yeah so I work with them the 363 00:15:21,420 --> 00:15:19,600 whole time and actually I suggested Ryan 364 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:21,430 spray because I love Ryan spray I 365 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:23,410 suggested a whole list of people but 366 00:15:28,860 --> 00:15:25,450 luckily they did choose someone and they 367 00:15:30,750 --> 00:15:28,870 chose Ryan who of course it's great so 368 00:15:31,980 --> 00:15:30,760 yeah so this is really fun it was just 369 00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:31,990 gonna be a piece that was gonna go 370 00:15:35,970 --> 00:15:34,000 online but they liked it so much that 371 00:15:40,170 --> 00:15:35,980 they are gonna show it January 372 00:15:42,570 --> 00:15:40,180 and that's Thursday so look at your 373 00:15:45,660 --> 00:15:42,580 local listings it'll be on CW it's 374 00:15:48,930 --> 00:15:45,670 called Roswell mysteries decoded right 375 00:15:50,610 --> 00:15:48,940 so I haven't even seen a final cut of it 376 00:15:53,580 --> 00:15:50,620 so I'm gonna see it along with the rest 377 00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:53,590 of you on on Thursday but it'll be 378 00:15:59,130 --> 00:15:57,040 online once it it airs and then I'll 379 00:16:01,500 --> 00:15:59,140 definitely be sharing that in social 380 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:01,510 media and that open mindset TV and this 381 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:03,850 is a perhaps a pilot for something that 382 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:07,090 may or may not be so it's a it's a UFO 383 00:16:10,350 --> 00:16:08,890 investigation and I've been working with 384 00:16:12,540 --> 00:16:10,360 this production company for a while 385 00:16:15,930 --> 00:16:12,550 they're into UFOs and they want to do 386 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:15,940 some some serious UFO investigation type 387 00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:19,630 television programs and so we've been 388 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:22,000 shopping some stuff around and CW did 389 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:23,650 ask them hey we would like something on 390 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:25,110 Roswell because they've got this new 391 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:27,610 Roswell New Mexico television show 392 00:16:33,390 --> 00:16:29,890 coming up which is a reboot of kind of 393 00:16:37,470 --> 00:16:33,400 that highschool romance drama Roswell 394 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:37,480 television show and so yeah so they 395 00:16:43,290 --> 00:16:40,240 wanted to update to their to Roswell 396 00:16:45,810 --> 00:16:43,300 mystery essentially and that's what we 397 00:16:47,580 --> 00:16:45,820 put together like I said it was going to 398 00:16:49,850 --> 00:16:47,590 just be online but luckily they are 399 00:16:52,290 --> 00:16:49,860 going to be doing it on the air 400 00:16:53,220 --> 00:16:52,300 excellent all right I'll hunt oh hey 401 00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:53,230 well thanks so much 402 00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:56,590 and yes linked on you next week right 403 00:17:01,530 --> 00:16:59,440 yes we'll talk next week and I want to 404 00:17:05,550 --> 00:17:01,540 plug at least your appearance on my show 405 00:17:07,140 --> 00:17:05,560 we did review absolutely and that was 406 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:07,150 posted today and that was a lot of fun 407 00:17:13,170 --> 00:17:09,310 as usual yes I did mention that last 408 00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:13,180 week so check out open minds TV and it's 409 00:17:18,990 --> 00:17:16,240 myself and the greatly Spiegel and the 410 00:17:22,530 --> 00:17:19,000 great Alejandro Rojas talking about what 411 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:22,540 happened in 2018 and I mispronounced a 412 00:17:27,810 --> 00:17:24,850 few words and got some just a couple 413 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:27,820 yeah all right you have a good one 414 00:17:33,210 --> 00:17:30,310 all right you too all right talk to you 415 00:17:36,780 --> 00:17:33,220 next week see ya alright everyone so our 416 00:17:39,770 --> 00:17:36,790 guest tonight we have Kyle Luverne and 417 00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:39,780 he is a regional editor of the 418 00:17:46,590 --> 00:17:43,510 Williamson Daily News and Logan banner 419 00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:46,600 and south western Virginia and he 420 00:17:51,550 --> 00:17:49,760 resides in Mingo County and that borders 421 00:17:53,650 --> 00:17:51,560 Eastern Kentucky and he has been a 422 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:53,660 longtime newspaper and radio journalist 423 00:17:58,810 --> 00:17:56,930 in his community and has won awards for 424 00:18:01,150 --> 00:17:58,820 newspaper columns articles and photos 425 00:18:03,850 --> 00:18:01,160 and he's had a lifelong interest in the 426 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:03,860 UFO phenomena he actually had some 427 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:05,690 things happen when he was young 428 00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:08,330 he's a UFO researcher and historian and 429 00:18:15,550 --> 00:18:11,950 he's published two books on the subject 430 00:18:17,290 --> 00:18:15,560 appellation case study UFO sightings 431 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:17,300 alien encounters and unexplained 432 00:18:24,910 --> 00:18:20,330 phenomena volumes 1 & 2 and they're 433 00:18:28,750 --> 00:18:24,920 available on Amazon and so that is who 434 00:18:32,290 --> 00:18:28,760 we have on tonight and welcome to the 435 00:18:36,370 --> 00:18:32,300 show Kyle well glad to be on thanks for 436 00:18:38,050 --> 00:18:36,380 having me yes and I had a guest lined up 437 00:18:40,450 --> 00:18:38,060 for this weekend you were gracious 438 00:18:42,490 --> 00:18:40,460 enough and then he had to reschedule 439 00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:42,500 so you're gracious enough to agree to 440 00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:44,300 beyond and I really do appreciate that a 441 00:18:47,740 --> 00:18:45,280 lot 442 00:18:51,220 --> 00:18:47,750 well I'm glad I could be on your show 443 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:51,230 had been on a talk show in a while so 444 00:18:57,370 --> 00:18:54,470 I'm glad to get back into the flow of 445 00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,380 things and talk about some UFOs I was 446 00:19:01,030 --> 00:18:59,360 listening to you earlier like you said I 447 00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:01,040 think the reports have been down a 448 00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:03,200 little the last few months but I looked 449 00:19:09,550 --> 00:19:07,520 for an uptake in 2019 yeah I think that 450 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:09,560 very well could be it'll be interesting 451 00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:13,730 to see what happens and so you are in 452 00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:17,080 what can you just kind of explain what 453 00:19:25,770 --> 00:19:21,200 the newspaper is where that the coverage 454 00:19:28,420 --> 00:19:25,780 is of that in particular yeah I'm in 455 00:19:30,370 --> 00:19:28,430 southwestern West Virginia we're like 80 456 00:19:33,370 --> 00:19:30,380 miles south of our state capitol of 457 00:19:35,740 --> 00:19:33,380 Charleston and 80 miles south of 458 00:19:38,740 --> 00:19:35,750 Huntington we're probably heard of 459 00:19:41,380 --> 00:19:38,750 Marshall University we're located in 460 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:41,390 Mingo County we border Pike County 461 00:19:46,570 --> 00:19:45,290 Kentucky yeah if I'm at my office that 462 00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:46,580 can go out and look and I can see 463 00:19:49,810 --> 00:19:47,780 Kentucky even though I'm from West 464 00:19:52,260 --> 00:19:49,820 Virginia were that close so I've always 465 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:52,270 grew up right here on the border of 466 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:54,650 southern West Virginia Eastern Kentucky 467 00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:57,410 right in the heart of Appalachia the 468 00:20:01,690 --> 00:20:00,080 coal fields it's nicknamed the heart of 469 00:20:03,730 --> 00:20:01,700 the big and dollar coal field because of 470 00:20:06,490 --> 00:20:03,740 the coal mining industry 471 00:20:09,970 --> 00:20:06,500 you know we're in the same area where 472 00:20:12,730 --> 00:20:09,980 the famous Hatfield McCoy feud was 473 00:20:15,730 --> 00:20:12,740 fought like 15 minutes away from that 474 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:15,740 you know a lot of history like that you 475 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:17,450 know Daniel Boone came through here some 476 00:20:23,860 --> 00:20:20,330 of the early history so it's a pretty 477 00:20:25,390 --> 00:20:23,870 neat place small town Williamson it's 478 00:20:28,750 --> 00:20:25,400 got about a population of about three 479 00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:28,760 four thousand a sister newspaper Logan 480 00:20:35,910 --> 00:20:32,480 banner about the same mmm like I say 481 00:20:39,250 --> 00:20:35,920 railroad mining industry tourism fishing 482 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:39,260 ATVs that kind of thing a beautiful 483 00:20:44,830 --> 00:20:42,770 country very sparsely populated out once 484 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:44,840 you get out of the rule of this city 485 00:20:51,370 --> 00:20:49,370 arias if you want to call a city and you 486 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:51,380 know it's a it's a great little town 487 00:20:58,210 --> 00:20:55,850 grew up here and there's definitely been 488 00:20:58,990 --> 00:20:58,220 some sightings in this region over the 489 00:21:02,980 --> 00:20:59,000 years too 490 00:21:04,270 --> 00:21:02,990 yes and uh you had mentioned to me and I 491 00:21:06,820 --> 00:21:04,280 actually read a little bit where you 492 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:06,830 actually had some sightings do you want 493 00:21:11,470 --> 00:21:09,770 to talk about the sightings in how you 494 00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:11,480 know is that how you got interested in 495 00:21:18,550 --> 00:21:15,500 the topic yeah yeah that sort of spurned 496 00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:18,560 my interest uh first sighting I can 497 00:21:23,650 --> 00:21:20,510 really remember I was like eight or nine 498 00:21:25,740 --> 00:21:23,660 years old I was sitting on the front 499 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:25,750 porch and the summer evening with my 500 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:28,130 parents and my sister she's a little 501 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:31,550 older than me and it wasn't quite dark 502 00:21:37,870 --> 00:21:35,090 it was late evening very hot humid 503 00:21:40,810 --> 00:21:37,880 summer evening and as I say we're right 504 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:40,820 on the border and we just happened to 505 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:43,760 notice looking at a mountain that was 506 00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:46,190 probably a couple hundred yards away 507 00:21:52,540 --> 00:21:50,320 from our home three glowing disc that 508 00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:52,550 came over that mountain and they just 509 00:21:56,980 --> 00:21:55,310 hovered there for it seemed like five 510 00:21:58,290 --> 00:21:56,990 minutes you know I mean we were a little 511 00:22:02,020 --> 00:21:58,300 scared 512 00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:02,030 also mesmerised you know we watched 513 00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:05,180 those and they were gone in just a split 514 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:07,760 second you know of course at that time 515 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:11,330 this was in the mid 60's we you know we 516 00:22:17,820 --> 00:22:13,120 didn't know who to report him to or 517 00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,830 who to talk to about it ironically a 518 00:22:21,030 --> 00:22:19,120 couple years ago I was doing some 519 00:22:23,460 --> 00:22:21,040 research and you mentioned Project Blue 520 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:23,470 Book coming on tonight on History 521 00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:25,810 Channel there was a report that same 522 00:22:33,290 --> 00:22:29,200 evening to the original Project Blue 523 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:33,300 Book that somebody saw something similar 524 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:38,230 in Kentucky just a little ways probably 525 00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,410 an hour before we saw our sighting so it 526 00:22:45,930 --> 00:22:43,840 was sort of ironic ya know so that gave 527 00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,940 me proof that it happened because I've 528 00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:46,960 talked to my sister and she doesn't 529 00:22:51,650 --> 00:22:48,550 really remember it my parents have 530 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:51,660 passed away now but I know it happened 531 00:22:56,460 --> 00:22:54,730 and you know it was like I say young but 532 00:22:58,260 --> 00:22:56,470 as I got a little older I still was 533 00:23:01,340 --> 00:22:58,270 started I was interested in the subject 534 00:23:03,420 --> 00:23:01,350 any time I would see something on TV or 535 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:03,430 read in the newspaper I would always 536 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:06,610 want to you know look into it 537 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:11,770 you had the 1973 flap or wave of 538 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:15,070 sightings on the eastern coast of the 539 00:23:20,370 --> 00:23:17,110 United States I was in high school at 540 00:23:21,660 --> 00:23:20,380 that time and you know I was really 541 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:21,670 interested in it because you didn't hear 542 00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,250 much in mainstream media during that 543 00:23:27,780 --> 00:23:26,320 time about UFOs but you were hearing 544 00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:27,790 about this because there were so many 545 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:30,070 sightings I mean police officers were 546 00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:32,770 chasing UFOs and yes people were seeing 547 00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:34,990 them all over you know if you've done 548 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:36,280 your research you've probably heard 549 00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:38,530 about it so every evening I was going 550 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:41,230 out looking hoping to see something and 551 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:42,970 I just happened to be in the backyard 552 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:45,850 with my neighbor a friend of mine and we 553 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:48,570 looked up and sure enough we saw UFO 554 00:23:54,420 --> 00:23:51,850 probably a couple hundred yards up above 555 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:54,430 his backyard over the mountain treetop 556 00:24:01,440 --> 00:23:57,450 level multicolored lights roundish shape 557 00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:01,450 UFO again we're mesmerised we call for 558 00:24:06,420 --> 00:24:04,150 his mother she came out she saw it and 559 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:06,430 I'm sure other people saw it too so you 560 00:24:13,140 --> 00:24:08,170 know that was the last sighting I had 561 00:24:17,820 --> 00:24:13,150 until 2012 ironically I had published my 562 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:17,830 first books and one day I was I went out 563 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:20,890 to lunch from work at the newspaper 564 00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:22,710 where I work we've said daily news I 565 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:24,760 usually don't take that long but that 566 00:24:26,970 --> 00:24:26,170 day I took a little longer because my 567 00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:26,980 wife had an employer 568 00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:29,200 and I took her to that and I come back 569 00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:30,880 in the office and they're like my 570 00:24:34,110 --> 00:24:32,140 co-workers like were you being innocent 571 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:34,120 want to take a long lunch they said well 572 00:24:37,919 --> 00:24:35,590 the fun's been ringing off the hooks 573 00:24:40,110 --> 00:24:37,929 people were calling saying there's a UFO 574 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:40,120 over this area I thought they were 575 00:24:43,890 --> 00:24:41,530 joking because you know I get a little 576 00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:43,900 ribbing from time to time on that they 577 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:45,910 said no really it's you know we've 578 00:24:50,430 --> 00:24:47,530 gotten calls and they're asking for you 579 00:24:52,860 --> 00:24:50,440 so I sit at my desk for a while okay 580 00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:52,870 sure enough the phone rings it's another 581 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:55,870 lady that calls from the west end of our 582 00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,610 town here in Williamson she says I know 583 00:25:00,840 --> 00:24:59,200 you're interested in this subject you 584 00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,850 know you've written the books I'm 585 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:02,799 looking at a UFO right now and I was 586 00:25:09,150 --> 00:25:06,370 like you gotta be kidding so I said what 587 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:09,160 you know where what part of the sky she 588 00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,370 told me so I go out and run across the 589 00:25:17,159 --> 00:25:14,799 street from us is a automotive tire 590 00:25:20,580 --> 00:25:17,169 repair shop all these guys are standing 591 00:25:22,650 --> 00:25:20,590 there they're looking at the same UFO I 592 00:25:24,780 --> 00:25:22,660 go across the street sure enough I look 593 00:25:27,419 --> 00:25:24,790 we see the UFO which I sent you a 594 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:27,429 picture of that earlier oh yes and out 595 00:25:33,270 --> 00:25:29,650 you know yeah you can put that up it 596 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:33,280 turns out that there was probably 597 00:25:38,669 --> 00:25:34,870 hundreds of people that ended up seeing 598 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:38,679 this UFO from the pie hole and Burgi 599 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:41,410 Kentucky area of Pike County over here 600 00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:43,690 to the Williamson area probably in about 601 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:45,910 a 50-mile 60 mile radius 602 00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,370 hundreds of people my phone blew up that 603 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:50,320 day and the next day everybody who saw 604 00:25:55,890 --> 00:25:53,530 this UFO so you know that was my latest 605 00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:55,900 sighting and that just was just amazing 606 00:26:00,720 --> 00:25:58,480 just to see that and the fact that there 607 00:26:03,539 --> 00:26:00,730 were so many other eyewitnesses to that 608 00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:03,549 case and so that's a little bit of my 609 00:26:09,419 --> 00:26:04,990 background as far as my personal 610 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:09,429 sightings but where I did have the as 611 00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:11,950 you say the journalism background I was 612 00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:14,220 working with another journalist who 613 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:16,660 started a small publishing company a few 614 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:18,970 years ago and he had done book about 615 00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,370 ghost sightings so one day we're having 616 00:26:26,490 --> 00:26:23,520 lunch and I said what do you think about 617 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:26,500 doing a book about UFOs he's like what 618 00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,730 do you mean I said well you know I've 619 00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:29,440 been interested in that I've got a few 620 00:26:33,270 --> 00:26:31,000 stories you know I'd written for a 621 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:33,280 magazine a few years ago and I'd save 622 00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,770 those and he said well let me think 623 00:26:39,330 --> 00:26:37,360 about it he did a research and he said 624 00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:39,340 well they say these books do pretty well 625 00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:40,480 let's tried 626 00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:42,310 so he published my first book it did 627 00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:44,590 really well I said well hey I've got 628 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:47,800 enough to do another one so we did vol 2 629 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:49,570 as you mentioned Appalachian case-study 630 00:26:54,330 --> 00:26:52,570 UFO sightings alien encounters and 631 00:26:56,430 --> 00:26:54,340 unexplained phenomena published by 632 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:56,440 Woodland press little small publishing 633 00:27:02,160 --> 00:26:57,490 company here in southern West Virginia 634 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:02,170 and so you know then my name started 635 00:27:04,670 --> 00:27:03,130 getting out there I started getting 636 00:27:09,090 --> 00:27:04,680 people contact me with other stories 637 00:27:11,220 --> 00:27:09,100 yeah yeah yeah yeah I go do book 638 00:27:14,430 --> 00:27:11,230 signings people would come up hey you 639 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:14,440 know I had a sighting or yeah you know 640 00:27:18,330 --> 00:27:16,270 my friend had a sighting and it's 641 00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:18,340 amazing how many people come up and like 642 00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:19,900 you said earlier they just don't know 643 00:27:24,060 --> 00:27:21,790 where to report these yeah or who to 644 00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:24,070 call or who to talk to so right now you 645 00:27:29,010 --> 00:27:27,340 mentioned it to them about MUFON I've 646 00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,020 got a Facebook page with a friend of 647 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:31,600 mine that people can report UFO 648 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:32,890 sightings and their Nicollet which we 649 00:27:35,460 --> 00:27:34,120 can talk about that a little later 650 00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:35,470 yeah I'll shut up and let you have some 651 00:27:40,140 --> 00:27:37,180 more questions well actually we're ready 652 00:27:42,570 --> 00:27:40,150 to go to a break so okay great yeah I'm 653 00:27:45,420 --> 00:27:42,580 on with Kyle Luverne and this is Martin 654 00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:45,430 Willis and podcast UFO and we're live 655 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:48,790 over at YouTube and kgr a radio and 656 00:28:02,190 --> 00:27:51,850 we'll be right back right after these 657 00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:04,110 you're clear all right how many minutes 658 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:08,980 we have you have two minutes three 659 00:28:16,530 --> 00:28:11,290 minutes sorry three got it okay all 660 00:28:18,540 --> 00:28:16,540 right um so Kyle when you first let's 661 00:28:21,210 --> 00:28:18,550 let's talk we have these three minutes 662 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:21,220 to talk about more or less another 663 00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:23,530 subject will go back into talking more 664 00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:27,600 but the the first sighting that you had 665 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:31,390 you mentioned that these three the three 666 00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,310 lights I believe you said and you said 667 00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:35,440 it disappear do you mean when you said 668 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:37,030 it disappear do you mean that it took 669 00:28:42,140 --> 00:28:39,730 off really fast or did you see them like 670 00:28:45,030 --> 00:28:42,150 go out or how can you explain how that 671 00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:45,040 yeah it just seemed like we you know 672 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:46,630 that they just disappeared we don't 673 00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:48,370 we're not sure if they just you know 674 00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:50,710 took off fast or they just disappeared 675 00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:52,750 it was just like they were there one man 676 00:28:57,210 --> 00:28:54,820 and the next second they were gone so 677 00:28:59,760 --> 00:28:57,220 well it wasn't like we saw him speed off 678 00:29:02,430 --> 00:28:59,770 you know yeah yeah there's a lot of 679 00:29:04,770 --> 00:29:02,440 there's a lot of things sightings that I 680 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:04,780 hear about that are either either do 681 00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:06,610 take off really quickly or all of a 682 00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:08,860 sudden just vanish and that includes not 683 00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:11,350 Apple or seeing an actual structured 684 00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:13,900 craft and they see it vanish which is 685 00:29:17,850 --> 00:29:17,440 really fascinating to me yeah in many 686 00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:17,860 ways 687 00:29:23,610 --> 00:29:21,160 let's see someone who wanted to know the 688 00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,620 in the chat room over there at YouTube 689 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:26,080 they were wanted to know if that the 690 00:29:30,410 --> 00:29:27,610 sighting that you saw I'll bring up the 691 00:29:32,790 --> 00:29:30,420 picture again for the people on YouTube 692 00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:32,800 that they wanted to know if it was 693 00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:34,270 cigar-shaped would you would you 694 00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:37,750 consider that a cigar shape yeah 695 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:41,830 probably in UFO lore maybe crc but it 696 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:44,710 was almost like i described it as 697 00:29:47,550 --> 00:29:46,450 fluorescent lights a couple of 698 00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:47,560 fluorescent lights that's what I 699 00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:48,190 remember 700 00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:49,870 they were like almost like a light on 701 00:29:55,410 --> 00:29:51,670 each side and then and then clear 702 00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:55,420 exactly yeah and and they were in what 703 00:29:59,790 --> 00:29:57,310 was amazing about it is that they stayed 704 00:30:01,440 --> 00:29:59,800 there for a long time and then I also 705 00:30:02,730 --> 00:30:01,450 I've talked about this before what I 706 00:30:05,550 --> 00:30:02,740 noticed is all of a sudden I started 707 00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,560 seeing these chemtrails come by like 708 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:07,600 jets were flying by I mean contrails 709 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:10,210 where they melted yeah I said well I 710 00:30:13,710 --> 00:30:11,650 couldn't tell if they were military jets 711 00:30:15,529 --> 00:30:13,720 or not but it was obviously something 712 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:15,539 flying close by 713 00:30:19,549 --> 00:30:17,850 and I went out to another area of the 714 00:30:20,899 --> 00:30:19,559 county that was higher elevation to try 715 00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:20,909 to get a better look at my time I did 716 00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:23,399 that it was gone but we can talk about 717 00:30:28,669 --> 00:30:26,940 that too now the the elevation I know we 718 00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:28,679 only have a we have less than a minute 719 00:30:34,669 --> 00:30:31,950 left here the elevation is so hard to 720 00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,679 tell and especially the most contrails 721 00:30:40,249 --> 00:30:36,720 that people see are from you know thirty 722 00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:40,259 to forty thousand feet up exactly do you 723 00:30:47,629 --> 00:30:46,440 think this was up that high it was 724 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:47,639 pretty high yeah I do 725 00:30:51,259 --> 00:30:49,049 and there was an amateur astronomer 726 00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:51,269 which I'll mention his name's Allen 727 00:30:55,159 --> 00:30:52,950 Epling the a school teacher Scott's 728 00:30:57,619 --> 00:30:55,169 video okay of it and hits on YouTube 729 00:30:59,599 --> 00:30:57,629 it's a really good video all right hang 730 00:31:01,609 --> 00:30:59,609 on a second please Eric can you repeat 731 00:31:03,849 --> 00:31:01,619 that again how many do we have left 10 732 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:03,859 SEC's insect that's okay we'll be ready 733 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:20,240 in five four three two all right welcome 734 00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,710 back this is martin willis and my guest 735 00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:25,200 is kyle Luverne and we're talking about 736 00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:28,110 I say it wrong I was always all my whole 737 00:31:33,050 --> 00:31:30,510 life I've been saying Appalachian and 738 00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:33,060 it's Appalachia is that how you say that 739 00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:35,640 that's how we say it Appalachia yeah and 740 00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:38,940 because I you know as maybe a number 741 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:40,380 people don't realize this but they 742 00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,570 actually start in Maine where I live and 743 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:44,880 go all the way down to Georgia I believe 744 00:31:48,530 --> 00:31:45,330 right 745 00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:48,540 yeah Georgia and touching to Alabama so 746 00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:50,400 it's a really long mountain range very 747 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:52,620 yeah West Virginia is the only state 748 00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:54,690 that that's entirely in the Appalachian 749 00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:56,340 mountain range but it touches on several 750 00:32:01,520 --> 00:31:59,760 states uh-huh and we're where are they 751 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:01,530 in regards to the Smoky Mountains when 752 00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:04,850 when you get into that down in that area 753 00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,620 they are probably a part of that range 754 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:09,360 but the Smoky Mountains are more 755 00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:12,450 interred in the Tennessee area yeah yeah 756 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:14,400 Blue Ridge Mountains Smoky Mountains 757 00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:18,570 yeah yeah and and so when you were 758 00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,460 looking into UFO sightings did you look 759 00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:25,500 throughout the whole range of because I 760 00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:28,350 know people hike you know it's it's many 761 00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,110 many people hike every single year 762 00:32:35,630 --> 00:32:32,640 starting in Maine and ending up in 763 00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:35,640 Georgia that's mostly how they go I know 764 00:32:39,410 --> 00:32:37,740 some people go the other way but some 765 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:39,420 people hike the entire range and it 766 00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:41,250 takes weeks and weeks and weeks to do 767 00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:43,110 and I know that while they hike the 768 00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:45,060 range they drop into all these little 769 00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:46,740 towns along the way and stuff like that 770 00:32:53,270 --> 00:32:49,740 it's pretty interesting but there's a 771 00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:53,280 lot of alone time involved and a lot of 772 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:55,740 camping out under the stars so are there 773 00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,050 other known sightings that people have 774 00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:00,480 reported while they're hiking you know 775 00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:04,680 doing that that stretch I've talked to 776 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:07,380 people that were out camping yeah at 777 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:11,970 night where they were out hunting this 778 00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:13,290 is of course an area where there's a lot 779 00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:16,440 of hunters and sometimes at night and 780 00:33:21,050 --> 00:33:18,420 they have reported seeing UFOs 781 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:21,060 I've had several those people to talk to 782 00:33:27,149 --> 00:33:23,610 me about that so you know 783 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:27,159 as I mentioned earlier sparsely 784 00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:29,770 populated area so you know where else 785 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:32,350 would be a good place for UFOs if they 786 00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:34,450 didn't want to be detected to fly over 787 00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:36,640 this kind of an area you know yeah 788 00:33:41,970 --> 00:33:38,830 Appalachian Mountains just like out west 789 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:41,980 and the desert area of Roswell area 51 790 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:45,610 in those places and you know I think 791 00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,289 there's been more sightings here than 792 00:33:50,669 --> 00:33:49,120 people realized it just people don't 793 00:33:52,649 --> 00:33:50,679 want to talk about it because of the 794 00:33:54,510 --> 00:33:52,659 stigma especially in the fifties and 795 00:33:57,210 --> 00:33:54,520 sixties yeah 796 00:34:00,090 --> 00:33:57,220 and you being a journalist how is that 797 00:34:02,820 --> 00:34:00,100 received by colleagues and other 798 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:02,830 newspapers as far as you actually 799 00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:05,890 interested in the subject it's gotten a 800 00:34:09,450 --> 00:34:07,480 little better you know I'm sure some 801 00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:09,460 people still maybe snicker in the 802 00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:11,230 background or they don't believe but 803 00:34:16,589 --> 00:34:14,409 times have changed I think people more 804 00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,599 people believe that there's something to 805 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:19,359 the phenomena than they did years ago 806 00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:23,530 you know with all the suits specials and 807 00:34:27,419 --> 00:34:25,030 the shows on the History Channel in 808 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:27,429 National Geographic and discovery that 809 00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:29,169 take it seriously and then you know you 810 00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:31,240 had the report that come out last year 811 00:34:36,990 --> 00:34:34,960 that the Pentagon admitted that they 812 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:37,000 spent millions of dollars studying UFOs 813 00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:39,010 and a lot of you know we know we had 814 00:34:45,570 --> 00:34:41,080 Project Blue Book over the years so 815 00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:45,580 there's people that aren't there coming 816 00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:48,070 forward now they're not in a you'd be 817 00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,720 surprised the people that talk to me 818 00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:51,280 they don't always want to use their name 819 00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:53,080 or they don't want to nestle go on 820 00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,080 record but they do believe and yeah you 821 00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,480 know I was getting wonder if you people 822 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:00,640 take you seriously or not but what they 823 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:02,170 do you know I'll have a few people will 824 00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:05,050 ask me about it but anyhow ever once all 825 00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:06,940 you get a joke here and there but most 826 00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:09,430 people seem to be very interested in and 827 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:12,030 to take it serious yeah you know I 828 00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:14,890 definitely see a kind of a warming trend 829 00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:17,920 in general as far as far as that goes 830 00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:19,990 and I had mentioned earlier in the news 831 00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,270 that you know local guys started talking 832 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:24,640 to me and well this actually happened 833 00:35:28,290 --> 00:35:26,290 while he was clearing trails and you 834 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:28,300 know camping out at night and things 835 00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,210 like that so that does seem you know 836 00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:33,280 perhaps it's that people are camping out 837 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:36,020 and in the wild 838 00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:37,610 that seemed to have a lot of sightings 839 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:41,630 you know because there is a time when 840 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:45,110 you're actually outside in your your you 841 00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:46,610 know aware of the environment you're not 842 00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:48,740 looking at your iPhone when you're 843 00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:51,470 camping or whatever so you know perhaps 844 00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,390 that's why there's so many of them seen 845 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:55,520 while people are are hiking and camping 846 00:35:59,560 --> 00:35:58,010 and you know well you've got a better 847 00:36:01,210 --> 00:35:59,570 view of the sky too because you don't 848 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:01,220 have the light pollution that you do in 849 00:36:04,420 --> 00:36:03,290 the city you know here and you see the 850 00:36:06,580 --> 00:36:04,430 stars you're out 851 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:06,590 there's not many street lights or you 852 00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:07,970 know it's it's pretty dark when you get 853 00:36:11,710 --> 00:36:09,380 out here in some of these locations and 854 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:11,720 you know on a clear night you can see 855 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:14,330 have a really good view and saying this 856 00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:16,010 there's something was over you know 857 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:18,080 you're gonna see it well before we went 858 00:36:22,570 --> 00:36:19,730 into the break we were talking about I 859 00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:22,580 believe it was the 2012 is that when 860 00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:26,630 that sighting happened yeah October 16 861 00:36:33,070 --> 00:36:30,110 2012 yeah I do actually remember that 862 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:33,080 and I believe I actually may have talked 863 00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:34,250 about that on the show when that 864 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:39,140 happened and there is there has been 865 00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:42,770 very similar objects I guess that's a 866 00:36:49,450 --> 00:36:46,280 way I'll put it that have been seen very 867 00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:49,460 similar to that and if I recall there 868 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:51,830 was one I want to say in Mexico that 869 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:53,510 looked very much like that and it 870 00:36:59,260 --> 00:36:55,130 actually dropped down these little white 871 00:37:01,780 --> 00:36:59,270 orbs are you familiar with that I do 872 00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:01,790 know that there's been similar sightings 873 00:37:09,340 --> 00:37:06,020 of this sort of a cylindrical I call it 874 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:09,350 fluorescent looking UFO and even at this 875 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:12,050 time like about a week apart there was I 876 00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:14,210 think sightings in Pennsylvania and 877 00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:16,310 maybe in Tennessee that were similar to 878 00:37:24,730 --> 00:37:21,500 this and was there speculation of that 879 00:37:27,340 --> 00:37:24,740 being I know that it stayed like hours I 880 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:27,350 believe right a few hours right in one 881 00:37:33,730 --> 00:37:31,250 location yeah yes seemed like he was yea 882 00:37:36,010 --> 00:37:33,740 hovering in the same location for at 883 00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:36,020 least you know I did I know of an hour 884 00:37:43,859 --> 00:37:40,760 maybe a couple hours and you know what I 885 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:43,869 also noticed as I continue to look at it 886 00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:46,970 because I was at work and I was I had a 887 00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:48,380 camera but it didn't have a really great 888 00:37:51,550 --> 00:37:49,580 lens on I was able to get 889 00:37:53,770 --> 00:37:51,560 couple pictures but I called my wife 890 00:37:56,170 --> 00:37:53,780 because I always have binoculars here 891 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:56,180 and I told her to get the binoculars to 892 00:37:59,680 --> 00:37:57,530 go out on the back deck and told her 893 00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,690 where to look and she did as she's the 894 00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,040 first one that told me that it looked 895 00:38:07,390 --> 00:38:04,160 you know long elongated cylindrical 896 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:07,400 because my view wasn't as good you know 897 00:38:12,610 --> 00:38:08,570 from where I was I didn't have 898 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:12,620 binoculars or a long lens and then there 899 00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:15,290 was a amateur astronomer from over in 900 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:18,230 Kentucky he's a I think a biology 901 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:20,570 science teacher high school teacher and 902 00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:22,490 he was able to video it through his 903 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:24,800 telescope and got some really good video 904 00:38:28,690 --> 00:38:26,090 of it and that's where you can see it up 905 00:38:32,050 --> 00:38:28,700 close and see how it what the shape was 906 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:32,060 and that's on youtube if anybody wants 907 00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:34,730 to look it up they can view that and 908 00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:37,520 it's it's amazing to look at it right 909 00:38:44,530 --> 00:38:40,910 and was there speculation that it could 910 00:38:47,140 --> 00:38:44,540 have been a balloon somebody say that 911 00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:47,150 said that and of course I take it just 912 00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:50,270 like they said UFOs were swamp gas or 913 00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:52,760 the planet Mars or whatever in the 914 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:54,260 sixties there was no way it was a 915 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:55,970 balloon and then somebody says something 916 00:39:02,590 --> 00:38:57,530 that had something to do with an 917 00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:02,600 Internet device or I don't know why it 918 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:04,820 was a little crazy the Google yeah yeah 919 00:39:12,010 --> 00:39:09,410 Google was experimenting with with 920 00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:12,020 internet through balloons yeah but they 921 00:39:15,490 --> 00:39:13,670 were they were normal they were like 922 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:15,500 weather balloons similar to weather 923 00:39:20,290 --> 00:39:18,530 balloons over yeah yeah round weather 924 00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:20,300 balloons this looked nothing like this 925 00:39:24,610 --> 00:39:21,830 and they were look they're really high 926 00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,620 in the atmosphere I think they were you 927 00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:26,000 know above a hundred thousand feet or 928 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:28,430 something like that as well yeah so 929 00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:31,610 there's no way that this was well I I 930 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:33,470 the reason I brought that up you know 931 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:36,050 the image that the astronomer took it 932 00:39:40,570 --> 00:39:37,760 almost looks like a balloon but it 933 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:40,580 didn't have the characteristics of a 934 00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:42,770 balloon as far as having the lights 935 00:39:47,710 --> 00:39:45,680 inside of it like that and also that it 936 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:47,720 just stayed stationary because you have 937 00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:52,100 wind wind currents exactly yeah and you 938 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:54,310 can apply inflate into the jet stream 939 00:39:59,800 --> 00:39:57,050 yeah exactly no way of balloons going to 940 00:40:02,500 --> 00:39:59,810 stay hovering in one spot for that long 941 00:40:05,170 --> 00:40:02,510 time so you know you got 942 00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,180 - balloon I think MUFON investigated it 943 00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:07,280 and they came back with that it was a 944 00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:09,380 UFO and identified flying object they 945 00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:11,510 didn't they said it wasn't a balloon you 946 00:40:16,780 --> 00:40:12,710 know they weren't quite sure what it was 947 00:40:18,330 --> 00:40:16,790 but you know it was a good UFO sighting 948 00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:18,340 and again he had hundreds of witnesses 949 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:21,710 and now how long did the did this go on 950 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:24,050 as far as like in the news it was it 951 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:25,730 kept alive for a little while and people 952 00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,090 still yeah for about a week 953 00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:31,040 you know I reported on in my newspaper 954 00:40:36,190 --> 00:40:33,260 there was a newspaper in Pikeville 955 00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:36,200 Kentucky some of the local TV stations 956 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:40,430 in the region reported on it and it made 957 00:40:44,370 --> 00:40:42,290 a little bit of national news I know I 958 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:44,380 was often what talk so I can't remember 959 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:46,610 where was I think was out of Boston 960 00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,610 Massachusetts talking about is so F for 961 00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:51,440 a week or two and then it sort of died 962 00:40:59,380 --> 00:40:54,800 down like usual but you know I still 963 00:41:01,660 --> 00:40:59,390 think as far as a more recent sighting 964 00:41:04,750 --> 00:41:01,670 in this area it was one of the best that 965 00:41:08,410 --> 00:41:04,760 I've seen I believe I saw an image 966 00:41:11,650 --> 00:41:08,420 online of this sighting and that image 967 00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:11,660 it appeared to be vertical is that the 968 00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,070 way it looked to you when you stepped 969 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:15,680 out of the the newspaper where he worked 970 00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,170 and looked well again like I say it was 971 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:20,960 so high yeah it definitely did I didn't 972 00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:22,610 have I wish I'd added my binoculars with 973 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:25,670 me but it definitely looked yes or a 974 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:28,730 vertical and just a little bit of 975 00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:30,770 movement and like I say it almost had a 976 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:34,360 head of light fluorescent looking 977 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:37,490 appearance to it it was just a very 978 00:41:44,290 --> 00:41:41,690 unusual UFO from what you usually see or 979 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:44,300 hear about with coarse disc shaped or 980 00:41:48,610 --> 00:41:46,210 triangular shaped 981 00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:48,620 you know there have been - cigar shaped 982 00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:50,510 as a lot of people won't describe them 983 00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:52,790 in the past or some of those kind of 984 00:41:58,060 --> 00:41:55,310 sightings now this lasted for so long 985 00:42:00,820 --> 00:41:58,070 did you I've heard of a number of people 986 00:42:02,170 --> 00:42:00,830 said that you know they've had real long 987 00:42:04,330 --> 00:42:02,180 sightings and they got bored 988 00:42:05,650 --> 00:42:04,340 did you know did you get bored and did 989 00:42:07,810 --> 00:42:05,660 you stay in the end the whole time and 990 00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:07,820 wait for it well I actually had to go 991 00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:09,380 back to work as I had some things I had 992 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:11,840 to do so I went back to work try to get 993 00:42:15,940 --> 00:42:14,570 some work done but after that I got off 994 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:15,950 like I say it was 995 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:18,530 ille there I drove up to a higher 996 00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:20,570 elevation we've got an area called the 997 00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:23,030 kinko highway which is a lot higher up 998 00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:26,870 and I drove up there to where you know 999 00:42:32,110 --> 00:42:29,750 was probably southeast from where we 1000 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:32,120 were located and by the time I got there 1001 00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:35,210 I can no longer see it I did notice it 1002 00:42:37,870 --> 00:42:37,100 looked like a lot of jets flew by in the 1003 00:42:39,940 --> 00:42:37,880 same area 1004 00:42:42,580 --> 00:42:39,950 you know the chemtrails or contrails and 1005 00:42:44,590 --> 00:42:42,590 I don't know if they had anything to do 1006 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:44,600 with it but I was thinking maybe they 1007 00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:46,730 were military jets checking it out 1008 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:48,710 wondering what it was because it had to 1009 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:51,410 show up on radar and of course there's 1010 00:42:55,930 --> 00:42:54,170 nothing I can prove that but definitely 1011 00:42:58,810 --> 00:42:55,940 he saw you know a lot of jets flying by 1012 00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,820 in the same area did did the amateur 1013 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:00,800 astronomer I know he filmed it and I I 1014 00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:02,930 do believe I may have looked at it you 1015 00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:05,720 know way back when or whatever but did 1016 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:07,670 the thing rotate at all or did it just 1017 00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:11,690 stay and that one you know it's that it 1018 00:43:16,030 --> 00:43:13,670 seemed to have a little bit of movement 1019 00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:16,040 but it was more steady for a long time 1020 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:17,750 yeah you know in one spot 1021 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:19,730 yeah which again a boy and it's not 1022 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:21,890 going to do that planes not going to do 1023 00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,290 that right we're a helicopter you know 1024 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:27,200 yeah no noise of course like I say it 1025 00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:29,690 was pretty high but she couldn't detect 1026 00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:33,560 any noise of it yeah well yeah that was 1027 00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:35,630 a like I said I do remember when that 1028 00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:37,670 happened I was actually doing the show 1029 00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:40,720 is in my the first year of the show and 1030 00:43:45,940 --> 00:43:43,460 that was that was big news at the time 1031 00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:45,950 and yeah yeah 1032 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:50,390 and has this reoccurred a lot of times 1033 00:43:55,540 --> 00:43:52,250 you hear about UFOs you know reoccurring 1034 00:43:58,890 --> 00:43:55,550 did it show up again or is that is that 1035 00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:58,900 it not nothing I know of yeah 1036 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:02,480 not heard any more if it has I haven't 1037 00:44:08,530 --> 00:44:04,450 heard about it and I think I would have 1038 00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:08,540 since you know pretty much know a lot 1039 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:09,910 about what's going on in this region 1040 00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:13,130 with anything newswise especially within 1041 00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:16,790 the UFO realm right alright so let's 1042 00:44:22,420 --> 00:44:18,950 talk about some of the other cases that 1043 00:44:24,580 --> 00:44:22,430 you have in your your your two books 1044 00:44:28,510 --> 00:44:24,590 that you can talk about some of the 1045 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:28,520 interesting ones okay 1046 00:44:35,620 --> 00:44:33,250 well one of the first ones I wrote about 1047 00:44:38,380 --> 00:44:35,630 this guy I got to know him who actually 1048 00:44:42,010 --> 00:44:38,390 became a friend of mine he was a postman 1049 00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:42,020 at a small post office out in a rural 1050 00:44:48,010 --> 00:44:45,670 area that I was living at the time and 1051 00:44:49,690 --> 00:44:48,020 we just started became friends we 1052 00:44:52,330 --> 00:44:49,700 started talking the more we talked I 1053 00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:52,340 told him about my interest in UFOs and I 1054 00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:56,150 could see him perk up and maybe wanted 1055 00:44:59,230 --> 00:44:57,890 to talk about it and ventually he starts 1056 00:45:03,550 --> 00:44:59,240 to uncomfortable where he shared a 1057 00:45:07,090 --> 00:45:03,560 couple stories that he had one was he 1058 00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:07,100 was about 18 years old in high school he 1059 00:45:11,290 --> 00:45:08,510 went out hunting as we were talking 1060 00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:11,300 again a rural area of a little Hollow 1061 00:45:17,350 --> 00:45:14,990 Road and he said as he was walking along 1062 00:45:20,410 --> 00:45:17,360 he just heard a noise sounded like 1063 00:45:23,130 --> 00:45:20,420 leaves blowing and he said he looked up 1064 00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:23,140 and right above him he saw this 1065 00:45:28,510 --> 00:45:27,200 triangular looking shaped UFO he 1066 00:45:31,570 --> 00:45:28,520 described it I thought this is pretty 1067 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:31,580 cool you remember the norelco razor oh 1068 00:45:36,849 --> 00:45:34,970 yeah yeah yeah with three three razors a 1069 00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:36,859 three yeah yeah three razors 1070 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:38,720 three heads that's how he described it I 1071 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:39,650 always thought that was a pretty good 1072 00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:42,170 description and he said he just watched 1073 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:44,180 it for a while he said I had my shotgun 1074 00:45:49,630 --> 00:45:47,450 i thought about shoot it or or just and 1075 00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:49,640 then of course it just pushed off it 1076 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:53,990 took off and was gone in an instant soon 1077 00:46:00,580 --> 00:45:56,570 after that this was in the late 60s he 1078 00:46:04,930 --> 00:46:00,590 was drafted into the army went to 1079 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:04,940 Vietnam served his time was came back 1080 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:08,330 got a job with the post office he got a 1081 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:11,090 job in Huntington West Virginia post 1082 00:46:14,859 --> 00:46:13,130 office and he lived about 60 miles away 1083 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:14,869 so he had to get up pretty early in the 1084 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:16,850 morning to get to work so he said one 1085 00:46:24,910 --> 00:46:19,970 morning he got up and he was driving 1086 00:46:27,310 --> 00:46:24,920 down this rural road toward work and his 1087 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:27,320 radio started acting funny his car 1088 00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,450 lights started going off and his car 1089 00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:31,760 just stalled which questions her UFO 1090 00:46:34,810 --> 00:46:32,990 reports like this before 1091 00:46:37,690 --> 00:46:34,820 he said looked over to the left and he 1092 00:46:41,859 --> 00:46:37,700 saw what he thought was maybe a brush 1093 00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:44,019 that's the last thing he could remember 1094 00:46:49,989 --> 00:46:47,150 so the next thing he knows he's at work 1095 00:46:52,689 --> 00:46:49,999 he's punching in and he looks and he's 1096 00:46:54,370 --> 00:46:52,699 got like two hours of missing time Wow 1097 00:46:57,009 --> 00:46:54,380 so you know you've heard of people yeah 1098 00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,019 I know that I mean I would love to be 1099 00:47:02,199 --> 00:46:59,839 able to get into his memory to see what 1100 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:02,209 happened during that time but again it 1101 00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:03,410 was you know I just thought it was a 1102 00:47:08,049 --> 00:47:04,910 really always a good story because this 1103 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:08,059 guy was you know he like I say was in 1104 00:47:11,709 --> 00:47:08,930 the army 1105 00:47:14,019 --> 00:47:11,719 certain Vietnam had no reason to to tell 1106 00:47:15,939 --> 00:47:14,029 lie or anything he really believed that 1107 00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:15,949 you could tell with his story because 1108 00:47:21,549 --> 00:47:18,380 most people when they get to know you 1109 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:21,559 they realize you are a believer they 1110 00:47:26,349 --> 00:47:24,170 feel comfortable opening up and they 1111 00:47:28,359 --> 00:47:26,359 start telling you their story yeah and 1112 00:47:29,289 --> 00:47:28,369 that's that's one of my favorites one of 1113 00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:29,299 my first ones that I wrote about 1114 00:47:35,949 --> 00:47:32,180 actually it's in my first book it says 1115 00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:35,959 first chapter yeah that's a that is a 1116 00:47:41,289 --> 00:47:38,209 that the triangle is something else in 1117 00:47:44,049 --> 00:47:41,299 that you know being 1960 is fairly early 1118 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:44,059 you know I mean exactly you know Dave 1119 00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:46,130 Marlowe will tell you that you do hear 1120 00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:50,089 about them but not so often you know 1121 00:47:55,029 --> 00:47:53,089 there are a few 70s and then now it 1122 00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:55,039 seems out that's uh it seems like that's 1123 00:47:59,620 --> 00:47:56,689 the majority of what people are seeing 1124 00:48:02,229 --> 00:47:59,630 is two triangles yeah it does 1125 00:48:03,939 --> 00:48:02,239 that was probably around 69 so it was 1126 00:48:05,919 --> 00:48:03,949 the first one that I know that was 1127 00:48:08,799 --> 00:48:05,929 triangular saved her in that period of 1128 00:48:10,419 --> 00:48:08,809 time and like you said most of the time 1129 00:48:12,729 --> 00:48:10,429 it was disc shapes during that time or 1130 00:48:15,069 --> 00:48:12,739 flying saucers yeah as people would call 1131 00:48:16,959 --> 00:48:15,079 them yeah she mentioned you know a 1132 00:48:21,699 --> 00:48:16,969 couple of things did he mentioned sound 1133 00:48:22,479 --> 00:48:21,709 or lights or anything just like a bright 1134 00:48:25,779 --> 00:48:22,489 light 1135 00:48:28,209 --> 00:48:25,789 on the second one on the first one he 1136 00:48:30,339 --> 00:48:28,219 said it was not very loud but it was 1137 00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:30,349 making maybe a whooshing sound or he 1138 00:48:34,329 --> 00:48:32,329 said it was more like it was blowing the 1139 00:48:36,969 --> 00:48:34,339 leaves because it was treetog just above 1140 00:48:39,279 --> 00:48:36,979 the treetops he felt like it was blowing 1141 00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:39,289 the treetops with the leaves on that and 1142 00:48:42,959 --> 00:48:41,420 that's the County you would hear because 1143 00:48:45,309 --> 00:48:42,969 this was in the fall of the year too so 1144 00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,319 so you know a lot of the leaves were dry 1145 00:48:51,339 --> 00:48:47,839 and yeah on that on the first triangular 1146 00:48:53,799 --> 00:48:51,349 shape so well pretty neat yeah and 1147 00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:53,809 you've looked into some of the ones that 1148 00:48:57,130 --> 00:48:55,550 I know that the 1149 00:49:00,520 --> 00:48:57,140 is that the flat wood the flat wood 1150 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:00,530 monster flatwoods monkey yeah that's 1151 00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:02,090 that's a good one I think that's even 1152 00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:04,310 going to be featured on Project Blue 1153 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:06,470 Book yes yes episode on the History 1154 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:07,970 Channel I saw that on the previews I 1155 00:49:14,620 --> 00:49:09,970 think it's yeah I did look into that 1156 00:49:16,330 --> 00:49:14,630 second one okay yeah that's a real 1157 00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,340 interesting case what I think is great 1158 00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:18,640 about this this was one of the earlier 1159 00:49:26,020 --> 00:49:22,420 UFO sightings that received national 1160 00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:26,030 press and national attention it was 1952 1161 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:27,830 it was October again it seems like 1162 00:49:34,180 --> 00:49:29,450 there's a lot of things and the fall of 1163 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:34,190 the year but there was some young boys 1164 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:36,770 they were playing football out in the 1165 00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,050 yard in the evening after school there 1166 00:49:48,070 --> 00:49:44,960 was a couple of brothers Freddy and 1167 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:48,080 Edward Mae and there are a couple of 1168 00:49:53,820 --> 00:49:50,450 neighbor kids and they saw something 1169 00:49:57,700 --> 00:49:53,830 flashed across the sky up above them 1170 00:50:00,520 --> 00:49:57,710 they thought it was like a meteor it 1171 00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:00,530 wasn't too far from their home it looked 1172 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:03,260 like it will possibly landed near a farm 1173 00:50:07,860 --> 00:50:05,570 a hillside farm close to where they 1174 00:50:10,810 --> 00:50:07,870 lived in Braxton County West Virginia 1175 00:50:12,310 --> 00:50:10,820 it's close to town called flatwoods so 1176 00:50:15,130 --> 00:50:12,320 that's why it's known as the flatwoods 1177 00:50:16,810 --> 00:50:15,140 monster the only reason I think it 1178 00:50:19,870 --> 00:50:16,820 became the flatwoods monster because 1179 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:19,880 nobody really knew what UFOs were much 1180 00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:21,410 at that time probably the only thing 1181 00:50:25,180 --> 00:50:23,240 you've heard of at that time was Roswell 1182 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:25,190 and you a lot of people hadn't heard 1183 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:26,690 about that at the time because that was 1184 00:50:33,460 --> 00:50:30,770 just you know was late 40s so they went 1185 00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:33,470 and told the mother and maybe she got a 1186 00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:35,630 flashlight they decided to go up on the 1187 00:50:42,460 --> 00:50:40,430 hill to look for this meteor there's at 1188 00:50:43,870 --> 00:50:42,470 least that's what they thought or just 1189 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:43,880 see what this light was where they 1190 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:45,890 thought it would look like it landed so 1191 00:50:51,010 --> 00:50:47,450 they made their way up this path and 1192 00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:51,020 this little road above the farm and when 1193 00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:55,070 they got up there they saw this huge 10 1194 00:51:01,930 --> 00:50:58,850 to 12-foot object with lights they 1195 00:51:03,250 --> 00:51:01,940 called I think the people that talked to 1196 00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:03,260 him at the time the journalists didn't 1197 00:51:06,970 --> 00:51:04,400 know what else to call it they thought 1198 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:06,980 it had said it had like arms like flaws 1199 00:51:11,260 --> 00:51:09,170 but I think what it was a 1200 00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:11,270 I believe this might have been a smaller 1201 00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:14,569 craft from a larger USO that maybe was 1202 00:51:22,690 --> 00:51:17,750 sent down to this is my version anyway 1203 00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:22,700 to take soil samples and so forth but 1204 00:51:29,380 --> 00:51:25,640 they saw it they got scared they 1205 00:51:34,930 --> 00:51:29,390 actually smelled a really weird horrible 1206 00:51:37,059 --> 00:51:34,940 odor a meeting from this this UFO or 1207 00:51:40,359 --> 00:51:37,069 small craft that's one thing I was 1208 00:51:44,049 --> 00:51:40,369 taking off that permanent hmmm yeah yeah 1209 00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:44,059 oh that's a fact and they took off ran 1210 00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:47,150 back down the hill they notified the 1211 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:50,000 local sheriff the next day the National 1212 00:51:54,609 --> 00:51:52,730 Guard comes in and they go up there they 1213 00:51:58,750 --> 00:51:54,619 had they found an area that was burnt 1214 00:52:02,280 --> 00:51:58,760 some burnt wood and a fence they also 1215 00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:02,290 looked like the ground was disturbed and 1216 00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:05,569 the these boys and the mother they also 1217 00:52:11,859 --> 00:52:09,710 got sick they were growing up you know 1218 00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:11,869 whether it was radiation or just from 1219 00:52:22,569 --> 00:52:16,990 the smell whatever this craft was again 1220 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:22,579 you know they the mother was Kathleen 1221 00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:24,410 Mae and one of the brothers they went 1222 00:52:28,660 --> 00:52:26,420 and appeared on a national TV show which 1223 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:28,670 is real rare for that time and it became 1224 00:52:34,059 --> 00:52:31,490 known as the flatwoods monster but I 1225 00:52:36,990 --> 00:52:34,069 think it was really part of a UFO and 1226 00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,000 again I think you mentioned this earlier 1227 00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:39,920 1952 was a saying this is around the 1228 00:52:43,870 --> 00:52:42,079 same time as the sightings in Washington 1229 00:52:46,329 --> 00:52:43,880 DC that's where you had the famous 1230 00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:46,339 picture over the UFOs over the Capitol 1231 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:49,250 around the same era in the same time and 1232 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:51,650 if you think about it West Virginia is 1233 00:52:56,049 --> 00:52:55,130 not very far from Washington DC I always 1234 00:52:59,140 --> 00:52:56,059 thought there was a little connection 1235 00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,150 there so you know I actually got to meet 1236 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:02,000 one of the brothers at a UFO Commission 1237 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:04,970 in Charleston a few years ago he was one 1238 00:53:10,809 --> 00:53:08,170 of the last living eyewitnesses of this 1239 00:53:15,010 --> 00:53:10,819 you know stand-up guy salt of the earth 1240 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:15,020 kind of guy and you know he still stood 1241 00:53:19,299 --> 00:53:17,450 by he said they saw something you know 1242 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:19,309 he said I don't know what it was but it 1243 00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:22,690 happens you know we saw it in 1244 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:25,400 it's a pretty cool story and one of the 1245 00:53:32,740 --> 00:53:29,330 first well-known stories in the United 1246 00:53:35,950 --> 00:53:32,750 States really wouldn't you think about 1247 00:53:40,210 --> 00:53:35,960 the projects Blue Book answer that there 1248 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:40,220 was an owl on top of a tree again you 1249 00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:41,330 got to be kidding yeah 1250 00:53:45,210 --> 00:53:43,310 what I just described to you these 1251 00:53:51,250 --> 00:53:45,220 people actually physically got sick 1252 00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:51,260 there was large indentations I guess you 1253 00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:53,180 would say in the ground there was burnt 1254 00:53:58,930 --> 00:53:55,910 wood where they saw this object and they 1255 00:54:01,090 --> 00:53:58,940 actually said that somebody I talked to 1256 00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,100 that the National Guard was I supposed 1257 00:54:06,340 --> 00:54:03,440 to take soil samples and so forth from 1258 00:54:09,550 --> 00:54:06,350 that and end up sending it to the you 1259 00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:09,560 know wherever Washington or wherever so 1260 00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,510 an owl doesn't do that I mean come on 1261 00:54:16,990 --> 00:54:13,760 you know against some of these early 1262 00:54:19,330 --> 00:54:17,000 explanations of okay I guess 1263 00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:19,340 yeah go ahead well I was just thinking 1264 00:54:24,130 --> 00:54:22,790 about the chaotic scene and it was I 1265 00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:24,140 don't thinking how I was gonna hang out 1266 00:54:30,670 --> 00:54:27,710 there either exactly yeah and what they 1267 00:54:32,350 --> 00:54:30,680 saw was I also get pretty big they're 1268 00:54:35,770 --> 00:54:32,360 pretty big birds but not as big as they 1269 00:54:39,930 --> 00:54:35,780 described this you know and a flashing 1270 00:54:42,610 --> 00:54:39,940 lights I mean and this was you know 1271 00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:42,620 again multiple witnesses and they were 1272 00:54:50,770 --> 00:54:46,310 physically sick from the odor that they 1273 00:54:53,980 --> 00:54:50,780 smelled it was emitting from this UFO so 1274 00:54:56,740 --> 00:54:53,990 you know it's you can google it there's 1275 00:54:59,140 --> 00:54:56,750 different versions different stories but 1276 00:55:02,140 --> 00:54:59,150 it's definitely an interesting case 1277 00:55:05,740 --> 00:55:02,150 probably an unsolved case but like I say 1278 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:05,750 the Army National Guard was there the 1279 00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:09,170 sheriff came the next day and I heard 1280 00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,390 there were some other sightings in that 1281 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:13,280 area at the same time that just never 1282 00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:16,010 got reported but did they ever pick up 1283 00:55:24,310 --> 00:55:21,760 anything you know like any type of oh 1284 00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:24,320 meteor element or anything like that 1285 00:55:29,050 --> 00:55:27,500 there that you're aware of not that I'm 1286 00:55:30,970 --> 00:55:29,060 aware of but I'd like I said I'd heard 1287 00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,980 that they did take some soil samples and 1288 00:55:36,130 --> 00:55:33,200 maybe some of the burnt wood and turned 1289 00:55:41,410 --> 00:55:39,700 military I guess they took it in the 1290 00:55:43,930 --> 00:55:41,420 last you hero but you've heard so much 1291 00:55:45,940 --> 00:55:43,940 during that time the 60s even project 1292 00:55:48,670 --> 00:55:45,950 Bluebook when they came out they took 1293 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:48,680 soil samples or whatever you never heard 1294 00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,930 any results from anything like that and 1295 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:52,640 then it would come back and just say oh 1296 00:55:57,310 --> 00:55:55,130 yeah it was a large bird or with swamp 1297 00:55:59,860 --> 00:55:57,320 gas or you know you just it was your 1298 00:56:01,480 --> 00:55:59,870 imagination or you just saw the moon 1299 00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:01,490 coming down over the hill and you 1300 00:56:05,860 --> 00:56:03,920 thought it was a UFO you know well we 1301 00:56:08,410 --> 00:56:05,870 have one minute to until we take the 1302 00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:08,420 break and okay you mentioned that you 1303 00:56:13,870 --> 00:56:10,310 spoke to a witness was he one of the 1304 00:56:15,580 --> 00:56:13,880 ones that actually got sick yeah he 1305 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:15,590 wasn't did he talk about his health 1306 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:19,130 after that he never really had any 1307 00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:22,370 health problems but you know they they 1308 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:23,990 did get sick and they stayed sick for a 1309 00:56:31,570 --> 00:56:27,290 little while about a week or so that's 1310 00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,580 throwing up and so forth and you check 1311 00:56:36,190 --> 00:56:32,960 for radiation poisoning 1312 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:36,200 I doubt if they did at that time again 1313 00:56:41,980 --> 00:56:40,490 this was 1952 a rural area nobody sends 1314 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:41,990 anywhere to check for radiation 1315 00:56:47,110 --> 00:56:45,650 poisoning or or anything like that they 1316 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:47,120 might have went to a local doctor other 1317 00:56:54,270 --> 00:56:50,450 than that yeah I'm sure if that happened 1318 00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:54,280 now it would be a lot different yeah 1319 00:56:59,650 --> 00:56:57,440 many years ago all right all right well 1320 00:57:02,200 --> 00:56:59,660 it's time for us to go into break so 1321 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:02,210 this is Martin Willis with podcast UFO 1322 00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,370 my guest tonight is Kyle Luverne and 1323 00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:07,520 we'll be right back right after these 1324 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:14,950 clear you got three minutes alright 1325 00:57:18,460 --> 00:57:15,410 thank you 1326 00:57:20,860 --> 00:57:18,470 alright so Kyle during this break I'm 1327 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:20,870 gonna ask look for questions in the chat 1328 00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:25,010 room and I saw one right up here and 1329 00:57:35,140 --> 00:57:33,110 just just a minute ago and so this 1330 00:57:37,090 --> 00:57:35,150 something happened in the coal fields of 1331 00:57:41,350 --> 00:57:37,100 Kentucky and I'm just looking for 1332 00:57:44,770 --> 00:57:41,360 there's a lot of there was a case that 1333 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:44,780 didn't happen I see us to look it up 1334 00:57:49,630 --> 00:57:49,010 here my notes about a UFO hitting a 1335 00:57:53,380 --> 00:57:49,640 train 1336 00:57:55,479 --> 00:57:53,390 that's it yes on that point yet so yeah 1337 00:57:57,999 --> 00:57:55,489 that even that's it arrest yeah Davey 1338 00:58:00,489 --> 00:57:58,009 wanted to know about that in Kentucky 1339 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:00,499 and hit a freight train and two other 1340 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:04,970 UFOs over a river or some Piett but in 1341 00:58:07,539 --> 00:58:06,170 the three minutes that we have are 1342 00:58:12,130 --> 00:58:07,549 actually two minutes left we probably 1343 00:58:13,569 --> 00:58:12,140 only have time to talk about that one do 1344 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:13,579 you know anything about that case in 1345 00:58:19,049 --> 00:58:15,890 particular where there was a collision a 1346 00:58:22,269 --> 00:58:19,059 additional you know did some research 1347 00:58:26,229 --> 00:58:22,279 actually went over to where I think it 1348 00:58:27,819 --> 00:58:26,239 happens but we can't can't get anybody 1349 00:58:31,779 --> 00:58:27,829 to go on record that worked on the 1350 00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:31,789 railroad but you know I've had I think 1351 00:58:36,729 --> 00:58:34,609 something definitely happens I can talk 1352 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:36,739 a little bit about it I mean from you 1353 00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:38,930 know the reports I've seen on with doing 1354 00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:44,329 my research but it I think you know as 1355 00:58:47,710 --> 00:58:45,230 they say where there's smoke there's 1356 00:58:51,390 --> 00:58:47,720 fire seems like something happened in 1357 00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:51,400 that situation I noticed there was a 1358 00:58:59,579 --> 00:58:56,079 piece on one of the UFO cover-up 1359 00:59:01,229 --> 00:58:59,589 episodes on the History Channel about it 1360 00:59:04,509 --> 00:59:01,239 the other night 1361 00:59:06,759 --> 00:59:04,519 so like that isn't ready to come forward 1362 00:59:08,979 --> 00:59:06,769 that's such an odd thing where a UFO it 1363 00:59:12,970 --> 00:59:08,989 crashed into a train or a train into a 1364 00:59:15,370 --> 00:59:12,980 UFO I mean it's so bizarre it is bizarre 1365 00:59:17,470 --> 00:59:15,380 and it's almost unbelievable but I just 1366 00:59:19,630 --> 00:59:17,480 feel like something must have happened I 1367 00:59:21,729 --> 00:59:19,640 mean it didn't actually it didn't crash 1368 00:59:23,410 --> 00:59:21,739 - like where it did Roswell where it was 1369 00:59:26,140 --> 00:59:23,420 in two pieces or whatever 1370 00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,150 I think the train engine and one a 1371 00:59:33,789 --> 00:59:28,880 couple of coal cars behind it received 1372 00:59:36,099 --> 00:59:33,799 some damage reportedly and but you can't 1373 00:59:37,749 --> 00:59:36,109 you know I was at one book signing I had 1374 00:59:40,329 --> 00:59:37,759 a guy come up to me that said he worked 1375 00:59:44,529 --> 00:59:40,339 for that railroad it's the CSX railroad 1376 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:44,539 and he knew somebody that was working at 1377 00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:45,890 that time but they wouldn't talk about 1378 00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:48,319 it it's like they were told to keep 1379 00:59:52,749 --> 00:59:50,690 quiet you know for to secretly one of 1380 00:59:57,999 --> 00:59:52,759 those kind of deals 30 seconds sorry to 1381 00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:58,009 cut it yep okay all right so yeah that 1382 01:00:02,490 --> 00:59:59,359 it seems like that would be a really 1383 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:02,500 good trace evidence case right there 1384 01:00:06,660 --> 01:00:04,450 exactly I wish I would known about it at 1385 01:00:08,130 --> 01:00:06,670 the time but when I went over it was a 1386 01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:08,140 few years later we were just trying to 1387 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:09,520 find the area where we thought it 1388 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:11,770 happened myself and the guy named Thomas 1389 01:00:16,620 --> 01:00:13,930 Fugate okay I think we're going back on 1390 01:00:22,350 --> 01:00:16,630 this okay yeah yeah you guys ready yep 1391 01:00:28,050 --> 01:00:22,360 yep all right I'll count you down in 1392 01:00:30,450 --> 01:00:28,060 five four three two all right welcome 1393 01:00:32,460 --> 01:00:30,460 back this is Martin Willis and my guest 1394 01:00:37,020 --> 01:00:32,470 tonight is Kyle Luverne and we're 1395 01:00:38,340 --> 01:00:37,030 talking UFOs as usual Appalachian I'm 1396 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:38,350 gonna get the right way to pronounce 1397 01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:41,530 that sooner or later UFOs in particular 1398 01:00:48,060 --> 01:00:45,760 and the lines are open we are available 1399 01:00:50,190 --> 01:00:48,070 to take calls now that's up on the 1400 01:00:52,290 --> 01:00:50,200 screen for the people on YouTube if 1401 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:52,300 you're over at kgr a radio that phone 1402 01:00:58,830 --> 01:00:54,970 number is six oh three nine six seven 1403 01:01:01,440 --> 01:00:58,840 four OH three oh and you're welcome to 1404 01:01:05,220 --> 01:01:01,450 call in and ask our guests some 1405 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:05,230 questions during the break for the 1406 01:01:10,290 --> 01:01:07,690 people that didn't hear this on the on 1407 01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:10,300 the radio station we're talking about a 1408 01:01:17,550 --> 01:01:14,160 possible UFO collision with train and 1409 01:01:22,170 --> 01:01:17,560 the person that asked that said how 1410 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:22,180 about there were two UFOs over a river 1411 01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:24,690 are you familiar with that particular 1412 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:29,440 story Kyle yeah wrote about it in my 1413 01:01:35,250 --> 01:01:33,250 second book I didn't get to talk to any 1414 01:01:40,170 --> 01:01:35,260 firsthand witnesses I did some research 1415 01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:40,180 on it some reports that were made I went 1416 01:01:44,910 --> 01:01:42,420 to the area a few years later trying to 1417 01:01:48,020 --> 01:01:44,920 find the area where I thought that it 1418 01:01:51,870 --> 01:01:48,030 occurred it's near a town called 1419 01:01:52,790 --> 01:01:51,880 Paintsville Kentucky and in Eastern 1420 01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:52,800 Kentucky 1421 01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:56,950 its railroad tracks that mostly these 1422 01:02:05,340 --> 01:02:00,000 trains carry or haul coal cars 1423 01:02:09,540 --> 01:02:05,350 it's a CSX railroad and there were 1424 01:02:14,420 --> 01:02:09,550 horses in 2002 this real remote area 1425 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:14,430 that train was coming around a bend 1426 01:02:17,940 --> 01:02:16,330 middle of the night 1427 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:17,950 be like two o'clock in the morning they 1428 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:21,850 saw this bright light the tracks on one 1429 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:23,770 side of the tracks you have a river on 1430 01:02:28,620 --> 01:02:26,770 the other side you have a road so the 1431 01:02:29,850 --> 01:02:28,630 tracks is in the middle and they saw 1432 01:02:33,570 --> 01:02:29,860 this bright light they thought it was 1433 01:02:37,340 --> 01:02:33,580 another train coming but then they saw 1434 01:02:40,740 --> 01:02:37,350 that there were two or three dis shaped 1435 01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:40,750 objects floating over the river but as 1436 01:02:45,090 --> 01:02:43,060 they continued around the bend they 1437 01:02:49,230 --> 01:02:45,100 noticed one of the lights was right 1438 01:02:52,590 --> 01:02:49,240 above them along the railroad tracks and 1439 01:02:54,420 --> 01:02:52,600 supposedly it glanced and hit the the 1440 01:02:56,340 --> 01:02:54,430 engine one of the engines and then 1441 01:02:58,920 --> 01:02:56,350 offers a couple of coal carts behind the 1442 01:03:05,180 --> 01:02:58,930 engine and there was some damage to 1443 01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:05,190 those the engineers and the conductor 1444 01:03:11,550 --> 01:03:08,470 radioed their dispatchers told them what 1445 01:03:12,780 --> 01:03:11,560 happened they told him to ask him if the 1446 01:03:13,950 --> 01:03:12,790 train was still running because the 1447 01:03:17,340 --> 01:03:13,960 train was acting weird it was 1448 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:17,350 computerized at that time but they were 1449 01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:19,570 able to get the train running and they 1450 01:03:26,070 --> 01:03:23,640 limped back into a station that was very 1451 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:26,080 wasn't used anymore a small railroad 1452 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:28,210 yard and by the time they got there 1453 01:03:36,330 --> 01:03:32,410 supposedly where's all these officials 1454 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:36,340 and they took them and took them away 1455 01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:39,130 and questioned them for hours and asked 1456 01:03:45,090 --> 01:03:42,240 him what happened and that they were 1457 01:03:47,790 --> 01:03:45,100 expecting the the engine and the 1458 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:47,800 railroad cars and of course they were 1459 01:03:54,300 --> 01:03:50,050 told not to talk about it but they would 1460 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:54,310 lose their job or worse you know I can't 1461 01:03:59,010 --> 01:03:56,290 confirm it but you know it's it's a 1462 01:04:01,400 --> 01:03:59,020 story that it's been all over the 1463 01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:01,410 internet over the last few years and 1464 01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:05,050 it's it's pretty far-fetched but at the 1465 01:04:10,170 --> 01:04:07,570 same time it's believable I would love 1466 01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:10,180 to find somebody you know and I witness 1467 01:04:13,650 --> 01:04:12,160 maybe one of the the railroad workers 1468 01:04:16,140 --> 01:04:13,660 that were working at that time to come 1469 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:16,150 forward and talk but no one has done 1470 01:04:20,730 --> 01:04:18,490 that at this time we've friend of mine 1471 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:20,740 Thomas Fugate and I've tried to find 1472 01:04:24,660 --> 01:04:22,330 some witnesses over in that area that we 1473 01:04:26,460 --> 01:04:24,670 maybe saw something or would come 1474 01:04:28,210 --> 01:04:26,470 forward and talk about it or if they've 1475 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:28,220 even witnessed other UFOs and 1476 01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:30,890 area and we're still looking into that 1477 01:04:36,580 --> 01:04:33,950 well yeah you know I've always wondered 1478 01:04:39,609 --> 01:04:36,590 in situations like this like it seems 1479 01:04:42,190 --> 01:04:39,619 like occasionally I mean not 1480 01:04:43,930 --> 01:04:42,200 occasionally if most people do not keep 1481 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:43,940 the same job forever and when they're 1482 01:04:48,310 --> 01:04:46,250 told to keep quiet or they lose their 1483 01:04:50,140 --> 01:04:48,320 job or something like that you know 1484 01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:50,150 yeah maybe a couple years later they 1485 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:52,700 move on to something else and you know 1486 01:04:57,220 --> 01:04:54,890 at that point why aren't they talking 1487 01:05:00,099 --> 01:04:57,230 about it I mean they can't they can't be 1488 01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:00,109 threatened you know well you know you 1489 01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:01,910 always heard of the the men in black 1490 01:05:06,430 --> 01:05:03,710 where the government workers threatening 1491 01:05:08,980 --> 01:05:06,440 if you talk about this bad things are 1492 01:05:11,380 --> 01:05:08,990 going to happen that's one theory that 1493 01:05:13,290 --> 01:05:11,390 there was not just railroad people there 1494 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:13,300 waiting on them that it was government 1495 01:05:18,970 --> 01:05:16,490 officials and they told them to never 1496 01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:18,980 talk about it do not talk about this or 1497 01:05:25,030 --> 01:05:22,400 else you know again that's one of the 1498 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:25,040 theories not sure but it makes you 1499 01:05:31,089 --> 01:05:28,010 wonder has there been any men in black 1500 01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:31,099 type situations reported has anyone 1501 01:05:37,079 --> 01:05:33,890 talked about that in that area I'm not 1502 01:05:42,010 --> 01:05:37,089 personally I've not personally had any 1503 01:05:44,380 --> 01:05:42,020 men in black stories there was some and 1504 01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:44,390 in the 1960s you heard about the Mothman 1505 01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:47,510 yes that occurred in Point Pleasant West 1506 01:05:52,329 --> 01:05:50,210 Virginia right now that's one of the 1507 01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:52,339 first times that anybody ever really 1508 01:05:59,160 --> 01:05:54,530 heard about the men in black showing up 1509 01:06:01,660 --> 01:05:59,170 and there was supposedly sightings and 1510 01:06:04,349 --> 01:06:01,670 people who had contact with men in black 1511 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:04,359 during that time in this the mid-60s 1512 01:06:09,820 --> 01:06:07,970 with the Mothman sightings but I've 1513 01:06:11,050 --> 01:06:09,830 never personally had anybody tell me 1514 01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:11,060 they were approached by anybody like 1515 01:06:17,859 --> 01:06:14,570 that but you know speaking of Mothman 1516 01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:17,869 and other other yeah other other like 1517 01:06:24,820 --> 01:06:22,240 weird sightings like that that are 1518 01:06:27,130 --> 01:06:24,830 happening anything like that in 1519 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:27,140 particular I mean do you do you listen 1520 01:06:31,329 --> 01:06:28,970 to all the different things that happen 1521 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:31,339 not just UFOs like oh yeah you know yeah 1522 01:06:35,410 --> 01:06:33,770 people yeah yeah people will tell you 1523 01:06:38,109 --> 01:06:35,420 Bigfoot stories they'll tell you ghost 1524 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:38,119 stories occasionally and you might hear 1525 01:06:42,940 --> 01:06:39,050 my dog work in the background 1526 01:06:49,310 --> 01:06:45,970 something about a Bigfoot sighting or 1527 01:06:52,359 --> 01:06:49,320 I'm awesome in citing you know you just 1528 01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:52,369 wonder how much of that is true 1529 01:07:01,550 --> 01:06:56,690 it's it's interesting you know I can't 1530 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:01,560 I've never really been 100% believer on 1531 01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:03,330 the Mothman I think something happened I 1532 01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:06,180 think people had some incidents that 1533 01:07:10,130 --> 01:07:08,339 happened they saw something not sure 1534 01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:10,140 what they saw but it's a pretty 1535 01:07:13,849 --> 01:07:12,510 interesting story and again that made 1536 01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:13,859 national attention of course there have 1537 01:07:19,070 --> 01:07:17,220 been movies made about it yeah and again 1538 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:19,080 in this area you have Bigfoot sightings 1539 01:07:24,829 --> 01:07:22,050 and I saw something on the news the 1540 01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:24,839 other day where lady over not far from 1541 01:07:29,450 --> 01:07:27,030 here in Eastern Kentucky had a Bigfoot 1542 01:07:30,650 --> 01:07:29,460 sighting one night so you know in the 1543 01:07:32,180 --> 01:07:30,660 mountainous areas you're going to have 1544 01:07:34,339 --> 01:07:32,190 those there have been a lot of Bigfoot 1545 01:07:36,650 --> 01:07:34,349 sightings in Pennsylvania even parts 1546 01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:36,660 Ohio Virginia and West Virginia 1547 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:39,240 Tennessee and this in these areas with 1548 01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:41,010 all the mountainous areas we have that's 1549 01:07:47,690 --> 01:07:45,359 bound to happen but there's you know 1550 01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:47,700 there's been some there was this one 1551 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:50,310 case I wrote about it was in 1552 01:07:55,099 --> 01:07:53,490 Hopkinsville Kentucky a few years ago in 1553 01:07:57,470 --> 01:07:55,109 the fear that was also in the 50s where 1554 01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:57,480 oh yeah these people live on a farm they 1555 01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:00,960 saw the Goblin aliens yeah yeah that's 1556 01:08:08,540 --> 01:08:04,170 pretty interesting and we've heard 1557 01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:08,550 recently I was sent a documentary on and 1558 01:08:12,859 --> 01:08:09,810 I haven't actually got a chance to watch 1559 01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:12,869 it yet we're not far from here Pike 1560 01:08:16,579 --> 01:08:14,670 County again the board that there was an 1561 01:08:19,070 --> 01:08:16,589 edible community that some people 1562 01:08:24,740 --> 01:08:19,080 reported seeing similar kinds of 1563 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:24,750 creatures near an old mine site a coal 1564 01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:25,770 mining site of course they go 1565 01:08:28,340 --> 01:08:26,460 underground 1566 01:08:31,070 --> 01:08:28,350 that these creatures are coming out from 1567 01:08:32,809 --> 01:08:31,080 under there inside the mine again it's 1568 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:32,819 something I need to look into don't know 1569 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:35,730 much about it but it's interesting and 1570 01:08:41,539 --> 01:08:38,850 something to definitely piques your 1571 01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:41,549 interest yeah that is it called 1572 01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:43,049 Hopkinsville was that the name of it 1573 01:08:51,289 --> 01:08:46,380 yeah yeah yeah yeah that was a good case 1574 01:08:52,729 --> 01:08:51,299 oh my goodness story yeah I have but for 1575 01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:52,739 the person that's just starting to 1576 01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:54,089 listen to the show that may not be 1577 01:08:58,030 --> 01:08:55,650 familiar with it do 1578 01:09:02,329 --> 01:08:58,040 know enough about it to talk about the 1579 01:09:04,370 --> 01:09:02,339 family yeah yeah when they try to find 1580 01:09:07,610 --> 01:09:04,380 that chapter in the book oh you have 1581 01:09:09,769 --> 01:09:07,620 wrote about it okay yeah I mean they 1582 01:09:12,349 --> 01:09:09,779 were on the roof they were shooting at 1583 01:09:18,260 --> 01:09:12,359 them yeah they were shooting at them 1584 01:09:21,019 --> 01:09:18,270 yeah they and it's a wild story and they 1585 01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:21,029 were they did see them as I I think they 1586 01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:22,980 described him like gremlins or something 1587 01:09:26,329 --> 01:09:24,600 right yeah exactly 1588 01:09:29,570 --> 01:09:26,339 yeah but you know through through 1589 01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:29,580 history people have described aliens or 1590 01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:31,920 different every culture has they have 1591 01:09:39,740 --> 01:09:34,489 goblin you know were leprechauns or 1592 01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:39,750 trolls you know every culture describes 1593 01:09:46,849 --> 01:09:43,020 these things differently 1594 01:09:50,689 --> 01:09:46,859 this happened in 1955 it was in August 1595 01:09:54,939 --> 01:09:50,699 it was a summer night in the a little 1596 01:09:57,260 --> 01:09:54,949 farm near Hopkinsville Kentucky and 1597 01:09:59,720 --> 01:09:57,270 there was a gentleman named Billy Ray 1598 01:10:01,610 --> 01:09:59,730 Taylor and I guess he stopped stepped 1599 01:10:05,740 --> 01:10:01,620 out of the farm and walked out into the 1600 01:10:12,260 --> 01:10:05,750 yard to get some water from the well and 1601 01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:12,270 he noticed a small creature and around 1602 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:15,449 the farm he ran back in the house to 1603 01:10:21,169 --> 01:10:17,610 tell his wife and some other folks that 1604 01:10:25,340 --> 01:10:21,179 were there and the dogs were outside 1605 01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:25,350 they started barking loudly and they 1606 01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:26,730 grabbed the rifles because they were 1607 01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:27,840 scared I didn't know what these things 1608 01:10:39,169 --> 01:10:32,100 were and they they said they had large 1609 01:10:41,060 --> 01:10:39,179 large eyes short legs long arms similar 1610 01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,070 maybe to the greys but maybe a little 1611 01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:43,199 more scarier but of course again you're 1612 01:10:47,390 --> 01:10:45,120 talking 1955 they wouldn't know what a 1613 01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:47,400 gray was at that time it was they were 1614 01:10:52,820 --> 01:10:50,159 just gone in a you know a goblin or 1615 01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:52,830 whatever but they actually said these 1616 01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:54,330 creatures were coming then they were on 1617 01:10:59,720 --> 01:10:56,250 the roof of the house and all surrounded 1618 01:11:01,399 --> 01:10:59,730 them and they actually shot at him and I 1619 01:11:05,810 --> 01:11:01,409 guess they these little they were 1620 01:11:08,110 --> 01:11:05,820 terrorized for for a while that night 1621 01:11:11,530 --> 01:11:08,120 and 1622 01:11:14,140 --> 01:11:11,540 it's a pretty interesting story I don't 1623 01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:14,150 you know again I got in one of the wrote 1624 01:11:16,510 --> 01:11:15,440 about in my second book it's pretty 1625 01:11:19,050 --> 01:11:16,520 interesting you get into little more 1626 01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:19,060 details but it's definitely one of the 1627 01:11:25,810 --> 01:11:23,360 UFO or alien story that's interesting 1628 01:11:27,820 --> 01:11:25,820 from that that time period I'm really 1629 01:11:29,890 --> 01:11:27,830 surprised that no one's made a movie of 1630 01:11:31,930 --> 01:11:29,900 it you know like they always say based 1631 01:11:33,130 --> 01:11:31,940 on a true story you know I mean that 1632 01:11:37,570 --> 01:11:33,140 would seems like that would make a 1633 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:37,580 really great scary movie actually yeah I 1634 01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:39,170 know no one was killed of course they're 1635 01:11:42,220 --> 01:11:40,250 probably in the movie they'd have to 1636 01:11:44,620 --> 01:11:42,230 kill someone oh yeah yeah that's 1637 01:11:45,850 --> 01:11:44,630 sensationalize it works yeah but yeah 1638 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:45,860 would probably make a good movie yeah 1639 01:11:51,850 --> 01:11:48,890 yeah I mean I can't imagine if the 1640 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:51,860 account is really true on what they went 1641 01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:54,410 through and you know how scared they 1642 01:12:00,130 --> 01:11:56,330 must have been and I believe wasn't one 1643 01:12:03,700 --> 01:12:00,140 of the dogs injured or something um I 1644 01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:03,710 think yeah I think so mm-hmm but I mean 1645 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:06,080 just that whole the traumatizing 1646 01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:08,810 traumatizing situation I can't oh yeah 1647 01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,600 yeah you can imagine even this day and 1648 01:12:15,460 --> 01:12:13,520 age if that happens you're out in a 1649 01:12:17,380 --> 01:12:15,470 rural farmhouse or the only house around 1650 01:12:19,330 --> 01:12:17,390 for miles and it's something like it 1651 01:12:22,570 --> 01:12:19,340 happened it'd be you know like you say 1652 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:22,580 traumatizing or terrorizing but back in 1653 01:12:29,740 --> 01:12:24,890 1955 it would probably didn't even work 1654 01:12:31,690 --> 01:12:29,750 yeah yeah all right so what about by the 1655 01:12:33,190 --> 01:12:31,700 way the lines are open and if anyone 1656 01:12:36,340 --> 01:12:33,200 wants to call in again that number six 1657 01:12:40,740 --> 01:12:36,350 oh three nine six seven four OH three oh 1658 01:12:43,330 --> 01:12:40,750 and what about some of the other 1659 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:43,340 interesting cases in either one of your 1660 01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:54,280 especially with when they have multiple 1661 01:12:59,200 --> 01:12:56,000 witnesses I think it's always good 1662 01:13:07,530 --> 01:12:59,210 wasn't right because you know yes yeah 1663 01:13:10,060 --> 01:13:07,540 and this this comes from a an area that 1664 01:13:11,370 --> 01:13:10,070 only are probably about 50 miles from 1665 01:13:13,930 --> 01:13:11,380 where I live 1666 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:13,940 you're familiar there's different kinds 1667 01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:15,530 of mining you've got the deep mining 1668 01:13:19,330 --> 01:13:17,810 where they go underground amount of coal 1669 01:13:20,710 --> 01:13:19,340 and then they've got something they've 1670 01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,720 come up with the last few years called 1671 01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:22,400 mountaintops 1672 01:13:26,910 --> 01:13:24,320 removal mining where they blast off the 1673 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:26,920 top of the mountain to get to the coal 1674 01:13:35,530 --> 01:13:31,970 well I've heard rumblings for this years 1675 01:13:36,940 --> 01:13:35,540 ago and then through my interviews with 1676 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:36,950 the lady are talking about another 1677 01:13:41,650 --> 01:13:39,170 fighting she has she said you know you 1678 01:13:45,820 --> 01:13:41,660 really need to talk to my cousin his 1679 01:13:48,490 --> 01:13:45,830 name is Lloyd Mills and I'd heard of him 1680 01:13:51,820 --> 01:13:48,500 and he lives fairly close to where I do 1681 01:13:55,570 --> 01:13:51,830 she said he's got a great story and it 1682 01:13:57,460 --> 01:13:55,580 came from his work area and he wasn't 1683 01:14:00,220 --> 01:13:57,470 the only one who saw it so I got ahold 1684 01:14:02,890 --> 01:14:00,230 of him and he agreed to talk to me and 1685 01:14:07,300 --> 01:14:02,900 shared his story he was again a Navy 1686 01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:07,310 veteran during the Vietnam era but he 1687 01:14:14,350 --> 01:14:12,290 was working in a community out in roll 1688 01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:14,360 Mingo County as a mountaintop removal 1689 01:14:18,940 --> 01:14:16,400 fight they were they were mining coal 1690 01:14:24,610 --> 01:14:18,950 and it was the second third shift so it 1691 01:14:27,730 --> 01:14:24,620 was at night and they're out there they 1692 01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:27,740 have different areas of the project that 1693 01:14:32,050 --> 01:14:28,850 they're working on when they were doing 1694 01:14:34,150 --> 01:14:32,060 the coal and they have to course 1695 01:14:37,630 --> 01:14:34,160 communicate with walkie-talkie or by 1696 01:14:39,670 --> 01:14:37,640 radio with the the big equipment and 1697 01:14:44,410 --> 01:14:39,680 trucks that they use but he was the 1698 01:14:48,130 --> 01:14:44,420 nightshift supervisor and they were 1699 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:48,140 working it was in a September so it was 1700 01:14:53,980 --> 01:14:51,050 getting close to fall early September 1701 01:15:00,100 --> 01:14:53,990 and it was real clear that night he said 1702 01:15:02,710 --> 01:15:00,110 and probably had about 20 employees on 1703 01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:02,720 both sides of the mountain and he said 1704 01:15:07,060 --> 01:15:05,120 one employee was running a large 1705 01:15:09,190 --> 01:15:07,070 bulldozer and he called over the CB 1706 01:15:12,490 --> 01:15:09,200 radio and said what are those two lights 1707 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:12,500 coming down the holler and he said he 1708 01:15:17,050 --> 01:15:14,290 looked up and it looked like two big 1709 01:15:19,570 --> 01:15:17,060 headlights floating right down between 1710 01:15:23,410 --> 01:15:19,580 the mountains where they were working 1711 01:15:27,070 --> 01:15:23,420 and these lights began shining down on 1712 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:27,080 the workers and the equipment and as 1713 01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,610 they squeezed down you know through the 1714 01:15:33,190 --> 01:15:30,560 the valley there between the mountains 1715 01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:33,200 and so you had about 40 miners that were 1716 01:15:39,220 --> 01:15:35,510 working two different crews there and 1717 01:15:43,650 --> 01:15:39,230 all saw this this craft this UFO I mean 1718 01:15:45,790 --> 01:15:43,660 they were freaking out they were all 1719 01:15:47,380 --> 01:15:45,800 stopped working of course they start 1720 01:15:50,140 --> 01:15:47,390 looking at this they're watching it for 1721 01:15:52,690 --> 01:15:50,150 several minutes there were some gaps 1722 01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:52,700 over in another section there by their 1723 01:15:57,700 --> 01:15:55,280 self they call over and said there was 1724 01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:57,710 lights over top of them they were scared 1725 01:16:05,710 --> 01:16:02,080 like you know what's going on here and 1726 01:16:07,090 --> 01:16:05,720 it's like they were almost being they 1727 01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,100 were beaming a light down like they were 1728 01:16:12,580 --> 01:16:09,440 checking out what these guys were doing 1729 01:16:14,860 --> 01:16:12,590 with the coal mining operation and they 1730 01:16:17,170 --> 01:16:14,870 said you know it's pretty unsettling you 1731 01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:17,180 know but they had vivid memories of this 1732 01:16:24,010 --> 01:16:21,050 happening and had a couple other guys 1733 01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:24,020 that worked there on that same operation 1734 01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:25,489 that came forward and said yeah it 1735 01:16:29,530 --> 01:16:27,170 really happened you know but we were 1736 01:16:31,930 --> 01:16:29,540 told by our superiors not to talk about 1737 01:16:33,820 --> 01:16:31,940 it you know they say that that time they 1738 01:16:35,620 --> 01:16:33,830 were even contacted by the newspaper but 1739 01:16:36,910 --> 01:16:35,630 they didn't talk about it they were told 1740 01:16:39,250 --> 01:16:36,920 you know if you talk about it 1741 01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:39,260 you lose your jobs so clam it up we 1742 01:16:43,180 --> 01:16:41,570 don't want anybody coming around this 1743 01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:43,190 property or coming around our operation 1744 01:16:47,650 --> 01:16:46,489 talking about UFOs but you know I think 1745 01:16:50,500 --> 01:16:47,660 it's pretty neat when you have that many 1746 01:16:53,050 --> 01:16:50,510 witnesses that see the same thing it's 1747 01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:53,060 not like one or two guys out you know 1748 01:16:58,510 --> 01:16:55,130 fishing on a river that's see it you've 1749 01:17:01,990 --> 01:16:58,520 got multiple witnesses to me that tends 1750 01:17:03,310 --> 01:17:02,000 to make you think something happen you 1751 01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,320 know it's it's funny you're mentioning 1752 01:17:06,610 --> 01:17:05,120 the fact that they were told not to talk 1753 01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:06,620 about it and why they were told not to 1754 01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:10,250 talk about it and you know sometimes I 1755 01:17:16,780 --> 01:17:13,520 think why is that why aren't they 1756 01:17:18,820 --> 01:17:16,790 supposed to talk about it and so from 1757 01:17:20,860 --> 01:17:18,830 the standpoint of the employer he 1758 01:17:23,140 --> 01:17:20,870 doesn't want people you know coming 1759 01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:23,150 around newspaper reporters or reporters 1760 01:17:27,220 --> 01:17:25,310 coming in and you know to talk about it 1761 01:17:29,890 --> 01:17:27,230 and a really good example of that is 1762 01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:29,900 Calvin Parker when the news got out 1763 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:34,760 about the Pascagoula incident he had to 1764 01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:38,330 actually his boss actually told him go 1765 01:17:42,729 --> 01:17:39,890 away you know go away for a couple weeks 1766 01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:42,739 till this dies down yeah so I get it but 1767 01:17:48,380 --> 01:17:46,640 the part I don't get is is you know 1768 01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:48,390 don't talk about it ever 1769 01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:49,890 you know I mean that that doesn't make 1770 01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:52,320 any sense because after something blows 1771 01:17:56,900 --> 01:17:54,000 over you know why can't you talk about 1772 01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:56,910 it well that's why I think that mr. 1773 01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:58,530 Mill's finally talked when I called him 1774 01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:00,480 is when he's retired now he said yeah 1775 01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,890 I'll talk about it because it happened 1776 01:18:06,170 --> 01:18:03,360 he said and you know he goes to church 1777 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:06,180 he's a god-fearing man he said you know 1778 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:08,970 I don't care yeah I'll tell anybody that 1779 01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:11,130 happens we saw it you know I don't know 1780 01:18:13,550 --> 01:18:12,450 what they were but there was strange 1781 01:18:17,690 --> 01:18:13,560 objects they were floating around 1782 01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:17,700 they're beaming lights down and you know 1783 01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:19,980 it did it did happen and he came forward 1784 01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:21,840 and talked about it but like I said I've 1785 01:18:24,620 --> 01:18:23,280 talked to a couple of the other guys and 1786 01:18:27,650 --> 01:18:24,630 they still don't want to talk about I 1787 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:27,660 think more because they were scared when 1788 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:30,330 it happened not the fact that you know 1789 01:18:35,870 --> 01:18:31,850 they were going to lose their jobs 1790 01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:35,880 20-some years later yes so but like you 1791 01:18:40,010 --> 01:18:37,710 said yeah and I talked to a couple other 1792 01:18:41,300 --> 01:18:40,020 guys that worked in the same area and it 1793 01:18:44,090 --> 01:18:41,310 was pretty remote some of these money 1794 01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:44,100 and they said as they left that area 1795 01:18:50,740 --> 01:18:46,140 many times they saw some strange lights 1796 01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:50,750 in the same area one of those was a 1797 01:18:57,020 --> 01:18:54,080 pastor and he said you know I'm leaving 1798 01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,030 late at night and I'm watching this UFO 1799 01:19:01,310 --> 01:18:59,280 I just pull over and watch it it you 1800 01:19:03,980 --> 01:19:01,320 know it's real close it's one all over 1801 01:19:06,620 --> 01:19:03,990 across the sky and you know again they 1802 01:19:09,710 --> 01:19:06,630 had no reason to make up stories these 1803 01:19:11,930 --> 01:19:09,720 people they just want to share and tell 1804 01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:11,940 everybody what they saw and they're 1805 01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:16,170 tired of keeping quiet yeah yeah and you 1806 01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:18,690 know you mentioned that you know the 1807 01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:22,650 other witnesses to that sighting you 1808 01:19:24,890 --> 01:19:23,760 know didn't want to talk about it 1809 01:19:27,290 --> 01:19:24,900 because they are more or less spooked 1810 01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:27,300 about the situation and that is 1811 01:19:33,050 --> 01:19:30,090 something you do do here a lot a lot 1812 01:19:34,580 --> 01:19:33,060 that you know some people just don't 1813 01:19:36,020 --> 01:19:34,590 they want to just forget it ever 1814 01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:36,030 happened and don't even want to talk 1815 01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:38,040 about it again yeah yeah 1816 01:19:42,140 --> 01:19:40,320 really like you say spooks me scares 1817 01:19:45,940 --> 01:19:42,150 them and they they don't they just want 1818 01:19:48,020 --> 01:19:45,950 to out of sight out of mind you know but 1819 01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:48,030 sometimes eventually they come around 1820 01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:51,090 and they'll talk about it but most of 1821 01:19:56,900 --> 01:19:54,450 time you know it scares them you know 1822 01:19:58,510 --> 01:19:56,910 and it is a sort of scary situation I 1823 01:20:00,710 --> 01:19:58,520 mean I've talked to several people that 1824 01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:00,720 still have when they tell their story 1825 01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:01,810 you can just see the 1826 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:05,170 they're uneasy to talk about it yeah 1827 01:20:11,250 --> 01:20:09,010 and when you had your your sightings all 1828 01:20:13,650 --> 01:20:11,260 that sounds like three sightings you may 1829 01:20:17,930 --> 01:20:13,660 have had total yeah 1830 01:20:22,110 --> 01:20:20,310 only when I was really young the first 1831 01:20:23,940 --> 01:20:22,120 one when I was eight nine years old 1832 01:20:25,620 --> 01:20:23,950 really scared because it was just a kid 1833 01:20:28,650 --> 01:20:25,630 and you're talking in the mid-60s and 1834 01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:28,660 you're talking the shows we had on TV 1835 01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:30,310 with the outer limits and the twilight 1836 01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:32,320 zone so you know if you remember they 1837 01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:34,510 always make those aliens sort of scary 1838 01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:37,450 so yeah my sister and I were both a 1839 01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:39,520 little spooked at that time but I was 1840 01:20:47,730 --> 01:20:44,470 still curious and but now later on when 1841 01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:47,740 I was a teenager I wasn't really scared 1842 01:20:52,110 --> 01:20:49,840 I was more amazed you know it was a 1843 01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:52,120 little uneasy but just I was just 1844 01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:54,250 fascinated you know mesmerised and of 1845 01:21:00,600 --> 01:20:57,450 course now as a adult and the one I saw 1846 01:21:03,420 --> 01:21:00,610 here a few years ago in 2012 with so 1847 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:03,430 many others just I was so happy to be 1848 01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:04,810 able to have another sighting after all 1849 01:21:08,940 --> 01:21:06,610 these years because I'm always looking 1850 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:08,950 up hoping to see something again you 1851 01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:10,330 know they always say be careful what you 1852 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:13,390 ask for but yeah hey I want to see them 1853 01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:16,570 you know I want to know I told Stan 1854 01:21:19,530 --> 01:21:18,310 Friedman of course you know him and I 1855 01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:19,540 get to interview him meet him a few 1856 01:21:23,940 --> 01:21:21,520 years ago I said I feel like I'm the guy 1857 01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:23,950 Richard Dreyfuss character on Close 1858 01:21:29,190 --> 01:21:26,050 Encounters of the Third Kind you know I 1859 01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:29,200 just got to know I want I want to go and 1860 01:21:35,300 --> 01:21:31,120 find out what's really going on I want 1861 01:21:40,710 --> 01:21:35,310 to I need to know you know the truth 1862 01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:40,720 yeah I I think that I I was a lot like 1863 01:21:47,100 --> 01:21:43,530 what you said earlier I was kind of 1864 01:21:49,470 --> 01:21:47,110 mesmerised and you know amazed and 1865 01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:49,480 everything on my one really good 1866 01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:52,960 sighting that I had I wasn't afraid but 1867 01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:54,850 I'll tell you what if that thing turned 1868 01:22:01,020 --> 01:21:58,000 around came you know back or made some 1869 01:22:02,490 --> 01:22:01,030 type of threatening motion in any type 1870 01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:02,500 of way or that it was gonna land or 1871 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:03,730 something like that I would be a whole 1872 01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:04,570 different story 1873 01:22:09,900 --> 01:22:07,570 but yeah just seeing it where it was no 1874 01:22:13,050 --> 01:22:09,910 threat at all it was just mesmerizing 1875 01:22:14,090 --> 01:22:13,060 and you know amazing and that was plain 1876 01:22:15,860 --> 01:22:14,100 it 1877 01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:15,870 but you know you mentioned something 1878 01:22:21,770 --> 01:22:18,090 really kind of important and that is 1879 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:21,780 you're always looking at that a lot of 1880 01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:22,890 people that listen to the show are 1881 01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:27,120 always looking to and that is not the 1882 01:22:32,270 --> 01:22:29,850 common person though you know and a lot 1883 01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:32,280 of people that we even consider it some 1884 01:22:35,620 --> 01:22:33,449 people don't even look up at the stars 1885 01:22:38,650 --> 01:22:35,630 you know I mean I I understand that but 1886 01:22:42,169 --> 01:22:38,660 that's something I've always done and 1887 01:22:45,620 --> 01:22:42,179 yeah I think once you see something 1888 01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:45,630 you're always sort of more alert yeah my 1889 01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:47,760 wife says you're definitely a reporter 1890 01:22:52,130 --> 01:22:49,890 because you're always observing things 1891 01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:52,140 and noticing things and asking questions 1892 01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,690 and I guess she's right that they 1893 01:22:58,970 --> 01:22:56,880 intuitive personality but I'm always 1894 01:23:00,290 --> 01:22:58,980 looking up I walk my dog at night I'm 1895 01:23:02,689 --> 01:23:00,300 always looking up hoping to see 1896 01:23:04,340 --> 01:23:02,699 something you know looking at every 1897 01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:04,350 light that's blinking or you know 1898 01:23:07,970 --> 01:23:05,760 satellite or whatever it's going over 1899 01:23:09,260 --> 01:23:07,980 but a lot of people that's what one guy 1900 01:23:10,459 --> 01:23:09,270 telling me he said how many people 1901 01:23:12,380 --> 01:23:10,469 actually look up 1902 01:23:13,610 --> 01:23:12,390 he said they probably don't they don't 1903 01:23:15,890 --> 01:23:13,620 even think about it because they're just 1904 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:15,900 busy or driving down the road or what 1905 01:23:20,540 --> 01:23:18,330 you know whatever and they don't even 1906 01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:20,550 think about it but unless it sort of 1907 01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:21,600 hits him right in the face 1908 01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:24,690 right so yes people need to be more 1909 01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:27,690 aware yeah well it's like like you said 1910 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:29,730 the dog walkers in the cigarette smokers 1911 01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:31,770 they say have people that see the most 1912 01:23:40,330 --> 01:23:35,850 the most sightings and I've never smoked 1913 01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:40,340 but I definitely have a dog but yeah but 1914 01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:43,920 in my sighting was in the hot tub you 1915 01:23:51,770 --> 01:23:49,440 know and I saw okay not just a UFO you 1916 01:23:53,959 --> 01:23:51,780 know over the years of many years and a 1917 01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:53,969 hot tub you know you see some I saw an 1918 01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:56,570 amazing fireball once and you see some 1919 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:00,480 saddle many satellites oh yeah a matter 1920 01:24:05,419 --> 01:24:02,130 of fact I see more satellites now than I 1921 01:24:07,820 --> 01:24:05,429 ever saw because you're looking up yeah 1922 01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:07,830 and there are more satellites yeah as 1923 01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:10,140 funny sit at one of the other stories I 1924 01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:11,610 had in one of my books there was a guy 1925 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:14,489 that was in a hot tub and had a sighting 1926 01:24:19,370 --> 01:24:17,730 oh man that same night he said you know 1927 01:24:21,979 --> 01:24:19,380 he had deciding and he's watching the 1928 01:24:24,740 --> 01:24:21,989 news that night and it was actually 1929 01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:24,750 reported on the local TV news that 1930 01:24:27,790 --> 01:24:27,060 several people had saw the same thing 1931 01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:27,800 that he did 1932 01:24:32,810 --> 01:24:30,120 again I always think it's good when you 1933 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:32,820 have multiple sightings and and multiple 1934 01:24:39,380 --> 01:24:38,010 reports and does make the news I thought 1935 01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:39,390 I'd share another story with you there 1936 01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:43,050 yeah this one happened in Rowan County 1937 01:24:49,850 --> 01:24:45,810 Kentucky town called Morehead there's a 1938 01:24:53,570 --> 01:24:49,860 college there Morehead University and 1939 01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,580 the guy that I actually got to talk to a 1940 01:25:02,270 --> 01:24:55,440 little bit was a college professor at 1941 01:25:06,260 --> 01:25:02,280 the school and he was coming home one 1942 01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:06,270 night he said and he's with his sons and 1943 01:25:11,810 --> 01:25:08,370 as they were pulling up in the driveway 1944 01:25:18,260 --> 01:25:11,820 they saw these strange strange lights 1945 01:25:19,970 --> 01:25:18,270 not far from where they were and they 1946 01:25:21,260 --> 01:25:19,980 ran into the house and went up like to 1947 01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:21,270 the second floor to try to get a better 1948 01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:27,110 view and a little later on they heard a 1949 01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:32,480 woman screaming and next thing you know 1950 01:25:39,010 --> 01:25:36,960 there are police and fire firemen 1951 01:25:41,390 --> 01:25:39,020 showing up because people have heard 1952 01:25:44,540 --> 01:25:41,400 they've got the reports of the UFO and 1953 01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:44,550 then it reports a woman screaming so 1954 01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:46,050 they come out and they're investigating 1955 01:25:50,300 --> 01:25:48,210 trying to find where this these screams 1956 01:25:54,440 --> 01:25:50,310 are coming from or where this woman is 1957 01:25:56,450 --> 01:25:54,450 coming from and so you had definitely 1958 01:25:59,450 --> 01:25:56,460 911 one reports because they had several 1959 01:26:02,270 --> 01:25:59,460 calls about the UFO and a woman 1960 01:26:04,370 --> 01:26:02,280 streaming and again this was in the 1961 01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:04,380 evening about 9:00 between 9 and 10 1962 01:26:11,870 --> 01:26:09,330 o'clock in the summer months and but the 1963 01:26:13,130 --> 01:26:11,880 more I talked to the witness he just 1964 01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:13,140 decided he just didn't want to talk 1965 01:26:17,420 --> 01:26:15,210 about it again I think he was spooked at 1966 01:26:19,310 --> 01:26:17,430 the same time you know when you've got a 1967 01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:19,320 job and that kind of profession you 1968 01:26:23,330 --> 01:26:21,810 probably start thinking well maybe I 1969 01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:23,340 better not talk too much about this I 1970 01:26:27,710 --> 01:26:25,380 don't want the Felicity you know the 1971 01:26:31,010 --> 01:26:27,720 there's still the stigma and the 1972 01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:31,020 stereotype it's not as much as it used 1973 01:26:35,390 --> 01:26:33,810 to be but it's still there so you 1974 01:26:37,550 --> 01:26:35,400 sometimes it's really hard to get people 1975 01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:37,560 to talk or if they will talk to you they 1976 01:26:41,540 --> 01:26:39,210 don't want you to use their name you 1977 01:26:43,129 --> 01:26:41,550 know I'll use a fake name or what 1978 01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:43,139 and I hate that because you know you 1979 01:26:50,089 --> 01:26:47,760 really want to lend the credibility to 1980 01:26:52,339 --> 01:26:50,099 the stories yeah I've never been I've 1981 01:26:54,589 --> 01:26:52,349 never been too much for someone that 1982 01:26:57,319 --> 01:26:54,599 wants to remain anonymous I've I think 1983 01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:57,329 I've had one show only where someone 1984 01:27:02,660 --> 01:26:59,040 wanted me to just use their first name 1985 01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:02,670 only and right but I I think that's 1986 01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:06,480 that's it and I I've watched a few 1987 01:27:11,330 --> 01:27:08,489 documentaries or a few interviews with 1988 01:27:13,490 --> 01:27:11,340 people that want to remain anonymous and 1989 01:27:16,819 --> 01:27:13,500 I I don't really do I don't think it 1990 01:27:19,850 --> 01:27:16,829 holds a lot of salt really yeah I mean 1991 01:27:21,740 --> 01:27:19,860 it doesn't seem to be as credible and 1992 01:27:24,649 --> 01:27:21,750 sometimes I can understand like I say if 1993 01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:24,659 they have a certain job or or whatever 1994 01:27:30,620 --> 01:27:28,260 reason but I'd rather them use their 1995 01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:30,630 real name and not you know want me to 1996 01:27:34,700 --> 01:27:32,880 use an alias but I have done it if the 1997 01:27:36,530 --> 01:27:34,710 story was good enough yeah and I 1998 01:27:39,140 --> 01:27:36,540 believed them you know and you can 1999 01:27:40,910 --> 01:27:39,150 usually you can weed through it if 2000 01:27:44,899 --> 01:27:40,920 you've been in the business long enough 2001 01:27:46,850 --> 01:27:44,909 you can tell who's really got good 2002 01:27:47,930 --> 01:27:46,860 stories and those or maybe a little 2003 01:27:49,879 --> 01:27:47,940 little out there 2004 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:49,889 you can just tell you get that feeling I 2005 01:27:54,319 --> 01:27:52,530 always have that that's sick sense of 2006 01:27:57,740 --> 01:27:54,329 feel when I'm talking to people you can 2007 01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:57,750 tell whether they're true or not the 2008 01:28:03,109 --> 01:28:00,960 third book that you've written did these 2009 01:28:04,609 --> 01:28:03,119 stories you mentioned you know when 2010 01:28:06,740 --> 01:28:04,619 you're doing a book signing people talk 2011 01:28:08,959 --> 01:28:06,750 to you and stuff like that yeah is that 2012 01:28:10,879 --> 01:28:08,969 how that came together like people I've 2013 01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,889 read your other books and send you more 2014 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:12,320 stories or how did that 2015 01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:14,730 thank you most of the stories in that 2016 01:28:21,109 --> 01:28:19,199 wood did come about where once the word 2017 01:28:22,399 --> 01:28:21,119 got out and I did book signings and 2018 01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:22,409 people start reading the books people 2019 01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:25,199 started contacting me and sharing 2020 01:28:33,649 --> 01:28:29,280 stories with me and it's sort of amazing 2021 01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:33,659 once you know how that happens there 2022 01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:38,130 were there was I've never had a book 2023 01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:40,530 signing or an appearance where I didn't 2024 01:28:46,660 --> 01:28:43,920 have somebody come up and not sheriff's 2025 01:28:51,020 --> 01:28:46,670 to worry with me usually multiple times 2026 01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:51,030 you know and again good credible people 2027 01:28:55,820 --> 01:28:54,000 that in all walks of life different 2028 01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:55,830 professions 2029 01:29:03,670 --> 01:29:00,480 some were even military some were first 2030 01:29:07,220 --> 01:29:03,680 responders you know just real good 2031 01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:07,230 upstanding citizens and they are some 2032 01:29:11,090 --> 01:29:08,010 really good stories 2033 01:29:13,970 --> 01:29:11,100 I think more people have had sightings 2034 01:29:15,950 --> 01:29:13,980 than we realize but most of them just 2035 01:29:18,380 --> 01:29:15,960 don't want to come forward and talk 2036 01:29:22,130 --> 01:29:18,390 about it but I'm thinking that slowly 2037 01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:22,140 changing with over the years much more 2038 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:25,920 now than it did in 70s 60s 70s even the 2039 01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:30,570 80s you know you had the same thing with 2040 01:29:34,820 --> 01:29:32,880 journalists you had I think you're going 2041 01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:34,830 to have somebody on later and one of 2042 01:29:41,860 --> 01:29:38,850 your future shows on about the width 2043 01:29:43,850 --> 01:29:41,870 bill Virginia sightings in the late 80s 2044 01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:43,860 where they had that whole way these 2045 01:29:50,450 --> 01:29:47,130 sightings down there and that's uncanny 2046 01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:50,460 mmm yes Shawn Koz is great guy but he 2047 01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:52,770 got to talk Danny Gordon who was a 2048 01:29:58,700 --> 01:29:55,530 journalist like me former newspaper guy 2049 01:30:00,560 --> 01:29:58,710 and I also used to work at Radio 2 and 2050 01:30:02,450 --> 01:30:00,570 Danny was working radio at that time and 2051 01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:02,460 he was right on the fringe of that 2052 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:05,760 getting reports from the local law 2053 01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:07,170 enforcement and people that were seeing 2054 01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:09,210 all those UFOs during that time down 2055 01:30:13,100 --> 01:30:11,280 there and with Virginia which is a part 2056 01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:13,110 of the Appalachian Mountains I will be 2057 01:30:16,340 --> 01:30:14,400 really interesting when you get to talk 2058 01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:16,350 about the asta see they have a lot more 2059 01:30:19,580 --> 01:30:17,520 information on that than I do 2060 01:30:23,620 --> 01:30:19,590 yeah we have a call coming in hang on 2061 01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:23,630 just a second great trying to join it 2062 01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:26,880 caller welcome to the show your first 2063 01:30:31,930 --> 01:30:29,250 name where you calling from my name is 2064 01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:31,940 Kim I'm calling from Alberta Canada 2065 01:30:38,270 --> 01:30:35,040 welcome to the trail you have some snow 2066 01:30:40,730 --> 01:30:38,280 here voice oh it's no one up here like 2067 01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:40,740 crazy in the last few days but just cold 2068 01:30:46,670 --> 01:30:43,890 yeah lots of cold yeah time to stay in 2069 01:30:48,590 --> 01:30:46,680 the house yeah yeah right you head look 2070 01:30:50,300 --> 01:30:48,600 outside I'm looking out right now at the 2071 01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:50,310 sliver of the moon here it's just kind 2072 01:30:55,010 --> 01:30:53,370 of getting dark here so yeah we're kind 2073 01:30:57,620 --> 01:30:55,020 of a little later in the day or whatever 2074 01:30:59,810 --> 01:30:57,630 Lee in the day than you guys but that's 2075 01:31:02,660 --> 01:30:59,820 right all the same with you you have a 2076 01:31:04,010 --> 01:31:02,670 great show everybody in chat room there 2077 01:31:06,710 --> 01:31:04,020 I just want to say hi to everybody 2078 01:31:08,820 --> 01:31:06,720 and I wanted to just there was a couple 2079 01:31:13,140 --> 01:31:08,830 questions Martin that slipped by 2080 01:31:15,050 --> 01:31:13,150 maybe one of them being well when we 2081 01:31:18,870 --> 01:31:15,060 were just talking about ball lightning 2082 01:31:21,210 --> 01:31:18,880 my grandmother or my whatever scene one 2083 01:31:22,710 --> 01:31:21,220 goes to her farm house always claimed it 2084 01:31:25,980 --> 01:31:22,720 was ball lightning and never even asked 2085 01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:25,990 her ever if she thought it was a UFO or 2086 01:31:31,890 --> 01:31:29,730 some other kind of intelligent thing but 2087 01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:31,900 definitely that countryside there from 2088 01:31:36,630 --> 01:31:35,410 his is full of weird stories but I was 2089 01:31:40,770 --> 01:31:36,640 wondering what Kyle thought of ball 2090 01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:40,780 lightning uh you know that's one of 2091 01:31:47,250 --> 01:31:44,650 those things that people have talked 2092 01:31:48,660 --> 01:31:47,260 about whether it's a UFO or it is 2093 01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:48,670 something like ball lightning you have a 2094 01:31:55,170 --> 01:31:51,280 lot of people reporting orbs that are 2095 01:31:57,630 --> 01:31:55,180 similar to that and I guess it just 2096 01:31:58,500 --> 01:31:57,640 depends on the the different situation 2097 01:32:01,140 --> 01:31:58,510 you'd have to have a little more 2098 01:32:03,810 --> 01:32:01,150 evidence or a little more information 2099 01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:03,820 about each case and to try to determine 2100 01:32:07,710 --> 01:32:05,920 but like you said your grandmother or 2101 01:32:09,930 --> 01:32:07,720 she saw something she's not going to say 2102 01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:09,940 she does she saw EF oh she's probably 2103 01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:11,890 going to talk about it being something 2104 01:32:16,170 --> 01:32:14,410 that she can explain I think a lot of 2105 01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:16,180 times that's what people do oh it was 2106 01:32:21,420 --> 01:32:18,910 ball lighting or it was a meteor or you 2107 01:32:24,090 --> 01:32:21,430 know some other something that they 2108 01:32:27,210 --> 01:32:24,100 could explain it makes it easier for 2109 01:32:28,950 --> 01:32:27,220 them to understand absolutely yeah 2110 01:32:31,290 --> 01:32:28,960 someone that means when that plasma 2111 01:32:34,050 --> 01:32:31,300 discharge kind of phenomena that seems 2112 01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:34,060 to take place in certain places like 2113 01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:37,330 mountains and oh yeah an electrical 2114 01:32:42,620 --> 01:32:39,370 thing that's happening that the planet 2115 01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:42,630 itself is discharging some kind of a 2116 01:32:46,770 --> 01:32:45,490 photons or I mean you look at some of 2117 01:32:48,420 --> 01:32:46,780 that stuff in Antarctica that's 2118 01:32:51,480 --> 01:32:48,430 happening and they say that some of 2119 01:32:53,370 --> 01:32:51,490 these weird particles that are coming 2120 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:53,380 off of the planet that shouldn't really 2121 01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:55,570 be happening which is kind of another 2122 01:33:00,210 --> 01:32:58,210 weird side story but I just think the 2123 01:33:01,860 --> 01:33:00,220 planet itself seems to have a phenomena 2124 01:33:04,950 --> 01:33:01,870 to itself that maybe it's because of the 2125 01:33:07,910 --> 01:33:04,960 electrical phenomena with being a huge 2126 01:33:10,740 --> 01:33:07,920 big motor itself creating this 2127 01:33:12,630 --> 01:33:10,750 electrical phenomena that I mean if a 2128 01:33:14,460 --> 01:33:12,640 person I'd never seen lightning before 2129 01:33:16,710 --> 01:33:14,470 and all of a sudden it happened I mean 2130 01:33:18,270 --> 01:33:16,720 honestly we would paint in a freaked out 2131 01:33:20,610 --> 01:33:18,280 situation all around the planet 2132 01:33:22,229 --> 01:33:20,620 wondering what was going on but since 2133 01:33:24,570 --> 01:33:22,239 it's just a natural occurrence 2134 01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:24,580 it's not really a big deal except it's 2135 01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:25,690 very exciting 2136 01:33:29,190 --> 01:33:27,850 something like five member strikes a day 2137 01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:29,200 or something enlightening around the 2138 01:33:34,410 --> 01:33:32,170 world it's really crazy but yeah 2139 01:33:36,570 --> 01:33:34,420 something like earthquake lights is 2140 01:33:39,959 --> 01:33:36,580 another one you know 2141 01:33:43,340 --> 01:33:39,969 yeah history yeah and around volcanoes 2142 01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:43,350 yeah those lights and electrical 2143 01:33:49,290 --> 01:33:45,730 discharges and you know you've had 2144 01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:49,300 people talk about even different 2145 01:33:53,959 --> 01:33:51,250 dimensions around these kind of places 2146 01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:53,969 or certain areas that there's different 2147 01:33:59,490 --> 01:33:57,730 magnetic fields you know yeah a whole 2148 01:34:01,620 --> 01:33:59,500 different feel I mean it's just it's 2149 01:34:03,930 --> 01:34:01,630 amazing and it's there's so much out 2150 01:34:05,670 --> 01:34:03,940 there that we still don't know about yes 2151 01:34:07,890 --> 01:34:05,680 an electrical phenomena part is just 2152 01:34:09,330 --> 01:34:07,900 definitely a different kind of thing 2153 01:34:11,660 --> 01:34:09,340 that nobody seems to relieve and be able 2154 01:34:14,220 --> 01:34:11,670 to put a finger on understanding it so 2155 01:34:15,690 --> 01:34:14,230 anyway Martin is really good to be able 2156 01:34:17,010 --> 01:34:15,700 to call in that people were bugging me 2157 01:34:18,750 --> 01:34:17,020 to call in there was a couple other 2158 01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:18,760 questions I think the four one one was 2159 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:22,090 kind of interested people because of 2160 01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:24,570 where you're from Kyle with all the 2161 01:34:29,250 --> 01:34:26,650 incidences of the missing people that 2162 01:34:31,310 --> 01:34:29,260 kind of happened in those parts but no 2163 01:34:33,660 --> 01:34:31,320 we have them to rate in our city I think 2164 01:34:36,900 --> 01:34:33,670 Pilate they're actually put our own city 2165 01:34:40,380 --> 01:34:36,910 into it being our River Valley is had 2166 01:34:42,900 --> 01:34:40,390 many cases of missing people and never 2167 01:34:45,690 --> 01:34:42,910 to be seen again and they were scouring 2168 01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:45,700 our River a couple summers back when it 2169 01:34:50,910 --> 01:34:48,400 got low looking for bodies which was 2170 01:34:53,550 --> 01:34:50,920 really grim and kind of weird to watch 2171 01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:53,560 but when so many people have gone 2172 01:34:58,560 --> 01:34:55,270 missing never to be found and it's not 2173 01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:58,570 like it's an immense it's not like a big 2174 01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:00,400 park or something it's just a River 2175 01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:02,489 Valley with a river going through with a 2176 01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:04,810 small River Bank you know kind of thing 2177 01:35:09,090 --> 01:35:06,610 so it's just kind of strange I don't 2178 01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:09,100 know anyways Martin I'm not gonna take 2179 01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:11,530 up any more your time I guess hey go 2180 01:35:16,110 --> 01:35:14,050 alright everybody to chat alright hey 2181 01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:16,120 bye bye bye bye okay we have another 2182 01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:19,450 caller that just called in caller what's 2183 01:35:25,050 --> 01:35:22,410 your name and where you're calling from 2184 01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:25,060 I'm calling from Florida hi there 2185 01:35:29,130 --> 01:35:26,320 welcome to the show what's your name 2186 01:35:32,370 --> 01:35:29,140 again please opener 2187 01:35:35,410 --> 01:35:32,380 Abner welcome do you have a question for 2188 01:35:37,990 --> 01:35:35,420 our guest yeah 2189 01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:38,000 I want to know for mr. Woburn 2190 01:35:46,060 --> 01:35:41,330 at what point that he decide who 2191 01:35:48,130 --> 01:35:46,070 inspired him to write books I mean he's 2192 01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:48,140 in journalism you see journalism doesn't 2193 01:35:55,209 --> 01:35:51,530 go do you way of the uniform usually the 2194 01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:55,219 opposite what inspired him to like say 2195 01:35:59,880 --> 01:35:58,010 hey this is what I cover this is for 2196 01:36:02,439 --> 01:35:59,890 real this is what I'm going to do 2197 01:36:04,900 --> 01:36:02,449 yeah that's it basically I always 2198 01:36:08,290 --> 01:36:04,910 thought it would be great to be able to 2199 01:36:10,209 --> 01:36:08,300 write a book and I collected stories 2200 01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:10,219 over the years and like you say you're a 2201 01:36:15,250 --> 01:36:11,810 little leery about talking to certain 2202 01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:15,260 people about it but becoming friends 2203 01:36:20,620 --> 01:36:17,810 with another journalist who was also a 2204 01:36:24,180 --> 01:36:20,630 publisher I've had a small publishing 2205 01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:24,190 company after talking to him and 2206 01:36:29,110 --> 01:36:27,050 discussing the idea I just took the leap 2207 01:36:30,459 --> 01:36:29,120 I thought I don't know I don't care what 2208 01:36:33,450 --> 01:36:30,469 people think I'm going to write this 2209 01:36:38,380 --> 01:36:33,460 people need to know these stories and 2210 01:36:40,450 --> 01:36:38,390 you know it it worked out for me and and 2211 01:36:43,180 --> 01:36:40,460 like I said the first book this so well 2212 01:36:47,020 --> 01:36:43,190 that you know we published the second 2213 01:36:48,490 --> 01:36:47,030 one and you know now as we were just 2214 01:36:49,900 --> 01:36:48,500 talking about of cumulating their 2215 01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:49,910 stories to do another book and hopefully 2216 01:36:54,459 --> 01:36:52,250 get it published in the future but I 2217 01:36:56,410 --> 01:36:54,469 just felt like you know I don't care 2218 01:36:57,850 --> 01:36:56,420 what people think anymore I don't you 2219 01:36:59,709 --> 01:36:57,860 know I'm sure there's still a few behind 2220 01:37:01,750 --> 01:36:59,719 the scenes that want to snicker that's 2221 01:37:03,250 --> 01:37:01,760 crazy I don't believe that stuff but you 2222 01:37:04,959 --> 01:37:03,260 know I'm a believer and I think people 2223 01:37:07,689 --> 01:37:04,969 need to know the truth and they you know 2224 01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:07,699 and I write the books from being a 2225 01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:10,250 reporter I don't talk about my own 2226 01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:12,530 personal science I talk about the 2227 01:37:15,939 --> 01:37:14,239 sightings that people have I interview 2228 01:37:18,220 --> 01:37:15,949 them like I'm interviewing them for a 2229 01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:18,230 newspaper story and that's how I write 2230 01:37:22,419 --> 01:37:20,210 the books I let them tell the story and 2231 01:37:24,669 --> 01:37:22,429 I used quotes from them and the 2232 01:37:26,620 --> 01:37:24,679 information and they give or just from 2233 01:37:29,500 --> 01:37:26,630 the research I did on others past 2234 01:37:35,020 --> 01:37:29,510 stories from the from years ago so 2235 01:37:39,150 --> 01:37:35,030 that's basically it is Thank You Irene 2236 01:37:48,460 --> 01:37:45,280 all right so going back to we were 2237 01:37:52,030 --> 01:37:48,470 talking about the different you know 2238 01:37:55,630 --> 01:37:52,040 light phenomena with the collar Brown 2239 01:37:57,820 --> 01:37:55,640 Mountain lights is that I don't even 2240 01:38:02,979 --> 01:37:57,830 know if that's part about Appalachia is 2241 01:38:08,290 --> 01:38:02,989 it oh not familiar with that so okay 2242 01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:08,300 maybe not yet but you know I have you 2243 01:38:13,780 --> 01:38:12,080 know a soul show on I think us History 2244 01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:13,790 Channel they're not a series called 2245 01:38:19,630 --> 01:38:16,610 vanished that talked about how many 2246 01:38:21,820 --> 01:38:19,640 people have do disappear every year and 2247 01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:21,830 there are certain areas in the United 2248 01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:24,170 States that they pinpointed and one was 2249 01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:27,890 along the Pacific area out there the 2250 01:38:32,590 --> 01:38:31,310 Sarah the mountains the one area was of 2251 01:38:33,729 --> 01:38:32,600 the Appalachian Mountains the 2252 01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:33,739 Appalachian Trail as you talked about 2253 01:38:38,110 --> 01:38:36,320 earlier you know in other areas of her 2254 01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:38,120 like around the Great Lakes Canada there 2255 01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:39,440 were certain areas where people do 2256 01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:41,840 vanish and they've never been heard from 2257 01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:44,960 again no signs you know they've done you 2258 01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:47,450 know searches and it makes you wonder 2259 01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:50,000 you know did were they abducted were 2260 01:38:55,810 --> 01:38:52,370 they did they get into another dimension 2261 01:38:58,900 --> 01:38:55,820 it's it's really another whole 2262 01:39:01,330 --> 01:38:58,910 interesting phenomena it really is I had 2263 01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:01,340 a conversation with David Pilates of at 2264 01:39:09,729 --> 01:39:07,570 the MUFON event last last summer and we 2265 01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:09,739 talked for quite a while he's a great 2266 01:39:13,900 --> 01:39:10,370 guy 2267 01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:13,910 but he just wasn't interested 2268 01:39:23,620 --> 01:39:17,930 hey Abner you still on the line just 2269 01:39:24,910 --> 01:39:23,630 heard extra noise sorry anyway he he you 2270 01:39:27,790 --> 01:39:24,920 know he wouldn't want to be on the show 2271 01:39:29,890 --> 01:39:27,800 because it was as UFO and the title and 2272 01:39:32,110 --> 01:39:29,900 even though he thinks there's something 2273 01:39:33,610 --> 01:39:32,120 to the UFO phenomena he just didn't he 2274 01:39:37,450 --> 01:39:33,620 wasn't interested in being on the show 2275 01:39:41,260 --> 01:39:37,460 but of course that is one of you know 2276 01:39:42,940 --> 01:39:41,270 one of the theories people have actually 2277 01:39:45,130 --> 01:39:42,950 called in when he's been on coast to 2278 01:39:47,110 --> 01:39:45,140 coast or other shows and say hey what 2279 01:39:48,340 --> 01:39:47,120 about you know the abduction you know 2280 01:39:51,340 --> 01:39:48,350 maybe these are people being abducted 2281 01:39:52,090 --> 01:39:51,350 that just have not returned you know and 2282 01:39:54,580 --> 01:39:52,100 uh 2283 01:39:56,590 --> 01:39:54,590 I have no idea and the one thing he's 2284 01:39:58,480 --> 01:39:56,600 very careful of I don't know if you've 2285 01:40:00,430 --> 01:39:58,490 heard him or listen to him or watched 2286 01:40:04,570 --> 01:40:00,440 his movie or anything but he's very 2287 01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:04,580 careful not to say what he thinks is 2288 01:40:11,770 --> 01:40:08,330 happening he kind of lets it you know be 2289 01:40:13,780 --> 01:40:11,780 up to the person to interpret the way 2290 01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:13,790 they want to but he doesn't want to go 2291 01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:14,960 out on any theory 2292 01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:17,330 he's just actually just talking about it 2293 01:40:23,860 --> 01:40:21,290 plain happening yeah that's sort of how 2294 01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:23,870 I ya the angle that I take when I write 2295 01:40:29,350 --> 01:40:26,690 my stories I let the person tell their 2296 01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:29,360 story and I just write it as a 2297 01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:32,930 journalist basically and you know let 2298 01:40:41,110 --> 01:40:37,030 them share the story and try to reflect 2299 01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:41,120 how they felt at the time and let them 2300 01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:42,800 give me any details they could remember 2301 01:40:48,010 --> 01:40:44,690 and then just share and then it's up to 2302 01:40:49,780 --> 01:40:48,020 the reader what they feel like and 2303 01:40:52,900 --> 01:40:49,790 whether they believe it's true or not 2304 01:40:54,820 --> 01:40:52,910 and we'll just say much the people I 2305 01:40:56,860 --> 01:40:54,830 believe everyone that I've written about 2306 01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:56,870 or talked to I believe I think that 2307 01:41:02,380 --> 01:40:59,360 they're legit and something did happen 2308 01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:02,390 now you know there's cases where you 2309 01:41:06,460 --> 01:41:04,400 know there's UFOs it can be explained a 2310 01:41:09,010 --> 01:41:06,470 lot of times right but there are those 2311 01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:09,020 cases that can't be and that's the ones 2312 01:41:15,970 --> 01:41:12,050 that were there interesting and there's 2313 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:15,980 so many that have not been you know and 2314 01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:17,930 I wanted to mention this you know I've 2315 01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:20,930 got an Appalachian UFO Research Society 2316 01:41:30,150 --> 01:41:26,480 Facebook page know myself and myself and 2317 01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:30,160 Thomas junebug a few get started and 2318 01:41:34,900 --> 01:41:33,290 since we started that you'd be surprised 2319 01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:34,910 you need to go in there and check it out 2320 01:41:40,450 --> 01:41:38,330 we get reports all the time UFO reports 2321 01:41:42,550 --> 01:41:40,460 people will send pictures they'll send 2322 01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:42,560 video and some of them are pretty good 2323 01:41:47,110 --> 01:41:44,960 and we hear a lot of reports from 2324 01:41:49,450 --> 01:41:47,120 different people so it was basically a 2325 01:41:50,860 --> 01:41:49,460 way to get people a chance to share 2326 01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:50,870 their story because as you said earlier 2327 01:41:56,020 --> 01:41:53,330 a lot of people just don't know where to 2328 01:42:00,880 --> 01:41:56,030 go to report they don't know about MUFON 2329 01:42:03,220 --> 01:42:00,890 or other reporting organizations this 2330 01:42:05,530 --> 01:42:03,230 was a way and it's really taken off and 2331 01:42:08,260 --> 01:42:05,540 you know social media has really been 2332 01:42:11,170 --> 01:42:08,270 helpful words that people get the word 2333 01:42:14,290 --> 01:42:11,180 out there and this page we started is 2334 01:42:17,140 --> 01:42:14,300 really got some good reports uh some 2335 01:42:19,900 --> 01:42:17,150 good pictures on it when someone goes to 2336 01:42:22,330 --> 01:42:19,910 that actual site the Facebook site and 2337 01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:22,340 actually puts up a reporting of course 2338 01:42:27,550 --> 01:42:25,090 it's their name on a date 2339 01:42:30,580 --> 01:42:27,560 it's like sharing that information and 2340 01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:30,590 they're not afraid to yeah yeah most of 2341 01:42:34,180 --> 01:42:32,810 them are sharing it not afraid to as I 2342 01:42:37,390 --> 01:42:34,190 say I think more people are coming 2343 01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:37,400 forward now and they're not as afraid to 2344 01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:40,880 report as they were in the past and I'm 2345 01:42:45,550 --> 01:42:43,520 really pleased how it's taken off and 2346 01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:45,560 and it's been about two years since we 2347 01:42:53,020 --> 01:42:49,010 started it how many reports and views we 2348 01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:53,030 get and likes it's amazing just check it 2349 01:42:59,890 --> 01:42:56,090 out you'll see it goes back for a ways 2350 01:43:01,660 --> 01:42:59,900 and gets people in outlets yeah not it 2351 01:43:03,610 --> 01:43:01,670 don't have to be you know it doesn't 2352 01:43:06,430 --> 01:43:03,620 have to be Appalachian UFOs it can be 2353 01:43:07,690 --> 01:43:06,440 you know from Florida or or anywhere we 2354 01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:07,700 don't we'd love to hear from them you 2355 01:43:12,130 --> 01:43:08,000 know 2356 01:43:14,110 --> 01:43:12,140 can you off the top can you talk about 2357 01:43:16,450 --> 01:43:14,120 anyone and that stands out right now or 2358 01:43:21,340 --> 01:43:16,460 is that am i putting too much pressure 2359 01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:21,350 on you well yeah can it top of my head 2360 01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:24,130 think of any but you know there's 2361 01:43:30,130 --> 01:43:28,250 there's been a few over the years and 2362 01:43:32,050 --> 01:43:30,140 over the last few months seemed like 2363 01:43:35,740 --> 01:43:32,060 there were some from down in the 2364 01:43:38,260 --> 01:43:35,750 Carolinas in Virginia just all across 2365 01:43:42,370 --> 01:43:38,270 the East Coast we get a lot from you 2366 01:43:43,690 --> 01:43:42,380 know even Alabama all down through that 2367 01:43:46,510 --> 01:43:43,700 area that seem like there's a lot from 2368 01:43:48,670 --> 01:43:46,520 Caroline's and they're just just 2369 01:43:52,020 --> 01:43:48,680 Tennessee I'm just scrolling down here 2370 01:43:56,140 --> 01:43:52,030 right now looking at how many different 2371 01:43:58,180 --> 01:43:56,150 places were getting different states 2372 01:44:00,960 --> 01:43:58,190 reported Pennsylvania and other North 2373 01:44:04,660 --> 01:44:00,970 Carolina it's just amazing how many 2374 01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:04,670 reports we get from offer down the most 2375 01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:07,810 of the East Coast and these Appalachians 2376 01:44:13,540 --> 01:44:10,970 interesting well any other stories come 2377 01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:13,550 to mind in your in your any of your 2378 01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:16,610 books that you think are pretty amazing 2379 01:44:20,770 --> 01:44:18,410 stories 2380 01:44:23,770 --> 01:44:20,780 oh let me glance here real quick and 2381 01:44:24,940 --> 01:44:23,780 they were running out of time but to see 2382 01:44:27,940 --> 01:44:24,950 if I can come up with another yeah we 2383 01:44:33,460 --> 01:44:27,950 got about about seven minutes something 2384 01:44:36,700 --> 01:44:33,470 like that and I've always you know I've 2385 01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:36,710 hiked part of the Appalachian trying to 2386 01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:38,450 say it like you but I probably won't get 2387 01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:42,080 it pronounced Appalachian we just up 2388 01:44:49,450 --> 01:44:45,650 here in Maine we call you know we have 2389 01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:49,460 our own way of saying things no I got 2390 01:44:53,980 --> 01:44:51,410 your same here we've got our own accent 2391 01:44:55,480 --> 01:44:53,990 ways of saying things here too you know 2392 01:44:58,900 --> 01:44:55,490 there's a couple of different cases I 2393 01:45:04,110 --> 01:44:58,910 had reports which i think is very 2394 01:45:06,580 --> 01:45:04,120 interesting people talking about huge 2395 01:45:08,470 --> 01:45:06,590 spaceships that they've seen that they 2396 01:45:11,500 --> 01:45:08,480 were so huge that they blocked out the 2397 01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:11,510 stores and of course the thing that 2398 01:45:14,110 --> 01:45:13,520 comes to my mind there is maybe a 2399 01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:14,120 mothership 2400 01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:17,810 but there was one guy that a he lived 2401 01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:19,520 near a radio station actually had a 2402 01:45:24,970 --> 01:45:22,400 radio tower and he said was about two 2403 01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:24,980 o'clock in the morning and here's all 2404 01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:26,810 these dogs barking and he's thinking I 2405 01:45:31,810 --> 01:45:28,880 was or a prowler he says I get up and I 2406 01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:31,820 go out and look and he sees this huge 2407 01:45:37,900 --> 01:45:35,090 UFO hovering over the the neighborhood 2408 01:45:39,130 --> 01:45:37,910 he said it stretched out it seemed like 2409 01:45:41,470 --> 01:45:39,140 300 yards 2410 01:45:43,930 --> 01:45:41,480 you know I guess three lengths of three 2411 01:45:47,260 --> 01:45:43,940 football fields and he said a life was 2412 01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:47,270 emitting down beaming over one certain 2413 01:45:53,230 --> 01:45:50,690 house and he said he looked up there was 2414 01:45:54,850 --> 01:45:53,240 a clear night he said it was so big that 2415 01:45:56,830 --> 01:45:54,860 it was blocking out the stars you know 2416 01:45:59,440 --> 01:45:56,840 you could look over one section of stars 2417 01:46:02,050 --> 01:45:59,450 in here and I had a couple of sightings 2418 01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:02,060 like that and that just blows me away 2419 01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:04,400 that there could be something that big 2420 01:46:09,190 --> 01:46:06,890 and but again how many people are out at 2421 01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:09,200 two o'clock in the morning looking he 2422 01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:10,850 just happened to hear the dogs working 2423 01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:12,170 he thought there was something prowler 2424 01:46:17,020 --> 01:46:15,920 he goes out and he sees that and then 2425 01:46:20,260 --> 01:46:17,030 after that he had a couple other 2426 01:46:22,930 --> 01:46:20,270 sightings so seems like once people see 2427 01:46:24,730 --> 01:46:22,940 something they're more alert and then on 2428 01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:24,740 the lookout thinking they're going to 2429 01:46:29,590 --> 01:46:27,170 see something again yeah are we headed 2430 01:46:33,310 --> 01:46:29,600 up I was on her show with Mack Maloney 2431 01:46:35,620 --> 01:46:33,320 he does military UFO 2432 01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:35,630 military x-files that's any myth is his 2433 01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:38,330 show and he says I'm never gonna see a 2434 01:46:44,610 --> 01:46:41,690 UFO he says it's only he has a clear 2435 01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:44,620 that there's the dog again 2436 01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:48,170 yeah look outside here and I ER you have 2437 01:46:55,420 --> 01:46:52,850 no outside so he's saying that he has a 2438 01:46:57,580 --> 01:46:55,430 theory that only some you know a certain 2439 01:46:58,930 --> 01:46:57,590 type of person will see a UFO I don't I 2440 01:47:01,180 --> 01:46:58,940 don't know if I really buy that because 2441 01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:01,190 you know a lot of times people just all 2442 01:47:07,060 --> 01:47:02,890 of a sudden have their first sighting 2443 01:47:09,670 --> 01:47:07,070 yeah so well you know I think a lot of 2444 01:47:12,460 --> 01:47:09,680 people just doubled to pay attention 2445 01:47:17,710 --> 01:47:12,470 some people aren't alert but I think if 2446 01:47:19,390 --> 01:47:17,720 it comes up and bison and the rear as 2447 01:47:22,030 --> 01:47:19,400 they say you know they're going to be 2448 01:47:24,370 --> 01:47:22,040 able to they're gonna they're gonna see 2449 01:47:28,570 --> 01:47:24,380 it but again a lot of people just don't 2450 01:47:31,180 --> 01:47:28,580 even think about looking up or looking 2451 01:47:32,500 --> 01:47:31,190 for UFOs or even thinking about it and I 2452 01:47:35,170 --> 01:47:32,510 think a lot of people if they do see 2453 01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:35,180 something they don't want to even talk 2454 01:47:41,140 --> 01:47:37,730 about it or admit that they saw it there 2455 01:47:43,810 --> 01:47:41,150 are two especially older folks they just 2456 01:47:45,370 --> 01:47:43,820 don't want to like the guy called in 2457 01:47:47,260 --> 01:47:45,380 earlier with his grandmother you know if 2458 01:47:48,370 --> 01:47:47,270 they see something they don't want to 2459 01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:48,380 talk about it because they don't want 2460 01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:51,170 people to think they're you know off the 2461 01:47:56,850 --> 01:47:54,290 rocker or whatever and again it gets 2462 01:48:01,090 --> 01:47:56,860 back to that that old stereotypes and 2463 01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:01,100 people that believe in UFOs just aren't 2464 01:48:05,590 --> 01:48:03,050 really telling the truth you know I 2465 01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:05,600 would think that if I was to put myself 2466 01:48:10,390 --> 01:48:07,850 on the shoes of a guy that heard the 2467 01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:10,400 dogs bark and went outside and saw that 2468 01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:13,250 I would wake up everyone I could think 2469 01:48:18,820 --> 01:48:15,650 of to wake up to see something I know 2470 01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:18,830 you know you would think so and then at 2471 01:48:23,170 --> 01:48:21,050 the same time I always ask people I said 2472 01:48:24,910 --> 01:48:23,180 did you take a picture yeah no I didn't 2473 01:48:27,100 --> 01:48:24,920 think about it it's like they always 2474 01:48:28,900 --> 01:48:27,110 just say like they're almost hypnotized 2475 01:48:31,180 --> 01:48:28,910 or they're mesmerized that they're 2476 01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:31,190 watching this so and then yeah I do 2477 01:48:36,100 --> 01:48:32,690 think about it again 2478 01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:36,110 I totally am NOT in that yeah because 2479 01:48:39,460 --> 01:48:37,730 today though you know most people have 2480 01:48:41,890 --> 01:48:39,470 cameras on their phones or they can 2481 01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:41,900 video it's not like it was in the past 2482 01:48:44,740 --> 01:48:43,850 when people just had film cameras and 2483 01:48:46,900 --> 01:48:44,750 didn't even carry 2484 01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:46,910 there's a little easier now so I'm going 2485 01:48:49,870 --> 01:48:48,410 to tell people hey if you see something 2486 01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:49,880 if you think about it take a picture 2487 01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:52,490 take some video get some proof and and 2488 01:48:56,020 --> 01:48:54,410 also like you said get if there's 2489 01:48:58,030 --> 01:48:56,030 somebody else close by get them wake 2490 01:49:00,070 --> 01:48:58,040 them up or get their attention Hey look 2491 01:49:02,860 --> 01:49:00,080 can you see this there's another witness 2492 01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:02,870 it lends credibility to what you're 2493 01:49:08,350 --> 01:49:05,840 seeing and I know I know what you're 2494 01:49:12,010 --> 01:49:08,360 saying I agree what was these everybody 2495 01:49:14,650 --> 01:49:12,020 say it in another sighting - is that can 2496 01:49:16,780 --> 01:49:14,660 you recall what that this one was the 2497 01:49:19,810 --> 01:49:16,790 ice it was just driving down the road 2498 01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:19,820 and he was with some friends that left 2499 01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:23,450 the movies and they had a object that 2500 01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:27,290 flew right over top of their car and he 2501 01:49:32,050 --> 01:49:29,810 said it just sped vom you know it was 2502 01:49:35,590 --> 01:49:32,060 really low it wasn't anything like his 2503 01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:35,600 other sighting but they ever since then 2504 01:49:41,770 --> 01:49:38,210 he is a believer and he's always on the 2505 01:49:42,910 --> 01:49:41,780 lookout for again I guess once you see 2506 01:49:44,770 --> 01:49:42,920 something you're going to be more 2507 01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:44,780 interested and you're going to you know 2508 01:49:50,260 --> 01:49:48,530 and until he talked - until he saw my 2509 01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:50,270 book he had never told anybody about his 2510 01:49:55,900 --> 01:49:53,330 first sighting but once he realized this 2511 01:49:57,850 --> 01:49:55,910 guy believes I feel comfortable talking 2512 01:49:59,290 --> 01:49:57,860 to them and telling him about it there's 2513 01:50:00,100 --> 01:49:59,300 always somebody out there that will want 2514 01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:00,110 to hear your story 2515 01:50:04,420 --> 01:50:02,210 so if you're listening and you've seen 2516 01:50:07,300 --> 01:50:04,430 something you know don't be bashful 2517 01:50:09,010 --> 01:50:07,310 don't be able to you know afraid to talk 2518 01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:09,020 to somebody or tell somebody especially 2519 01:50:11,950 --> 01:50:10,730 there's a lot of guys like us out there 2520 01:50:14,530 --> 01:50:11,960 you me and others 2521 01:50:16,630 --> 01:50:14,540 MUFON or other organizations that want 2522 01:50:18,580 --> 01:50:16,640 to hear the story and maybe look into it 2523 01:50:21,220 --> 01:50:18,590 if it's a good enough story they may 2524 01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:21,230 want to investigate it and see what how 2525 01:50:24,990 --> 01:50:22,490 many other people see them you'd be 2526 01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:25,000 surprised a lot of the stories that of 2527 01:50:30,970 --> 01:50:27,650 people have told me when I would go back 2528 01:50:32,830 --> 01:50:30,980 and look there would be a story in the 2529 01:50:35,590 --> 01:50:32,840 newspaper even my little newspaper long 2530 01:50:37,090 --> 01:50:35,600 before I worked there there had been 2531 01:50:39,460 --> 01:50:37,100 some sightings in this area and when I 2532 01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:39,470 went back and into the old micro films 2533 01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:41,810 at the library there was a story in the 2534 01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:44,960 paper they saw a UFO and talked about 2535 01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:47,360 there'd be the same night so there were 2536 01:50:52,540 --> 01:50:49,370 several other people that saw it and 2537 01:50:55,090 --> 01:50:52,550 they didn't even realize it means that's 2538 01:50:56,650 --> 01:50:55,100 you know yeah it is amazing when you 2539 01:50:57,940 --> 01:50:56,660 think about it so there's a lot of times 2540 01:50:58,420 --> 01:50:57,950 if you go back and look at some of the 2541 01:51:00,910 --> 01:50:58,430 old 2542 01:51:02,260 --> 01:51:00,920 our caste a lot of newspapers there 2543 01:51:04,780 --> 01:51:02,270 actually have been some stories that may 2544 01:51:06,670 --> 01:51:04,790 have been buried on page three or 2545 01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:06,680 something but it was in there because I 2546 01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:08,090 think there's always been a little bit 2547 01:51:13,210 --> 01:51:09,890 of interest there from some of the 2548 01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:13,220 journalists doc on the chat room he 2549 01:51:21,300 --> 01:51:15,440 wanted to know if there are ever any 2550 01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:24,460 people have been reporting these boom 2551 01:51:28,990 --> 01:51:26,210 sounds and things like that I don't know 2552 01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:29,000 if you've heard about any of that I've 2553 01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:30,560 heard a little bit about it I've not 2554 01:51:40,330 --> 01:51:34,850 personally had anybody tell me about any 2555 01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:40,340 of those sounds or there was one case 2556 01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:42,050 somebody was telling me about that they 2557 01:51:47,860 --> 01:51:44,810 felt like they kept hearing like a 2558 01:51:50,050 --> 01:51:47,870 drilling sound that was coming from 2559 01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:50,060 beneath the earth in the community where 2560 01:51:56,980 --> 01:51:54,800 they lived but you know that's the only 2561 01:51:58,630 --> 01:51:56,990 thing that close to anything like this 2562 01:52:01,390 --> 01:51:58,640 that I've heard about but I've heard of 2563 01:52:03,580 --> 01:52:01,400 those and other places but yeah nothing 2564 01:52:05,860 --> 01:52:03,590 that I was investigated or dealt with 2565 01:52:09,820 --> 01:52:05,870 well a drilling sound is pretty done 2566 01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:09,830 weird yes it is and I wish I would have 2567 01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:13,610 been more people yeah okay well we got 2568 01:52:20,290 --> 01:52:18,080 yeah yeah well interesting stuff so we 2569 01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:20,300 have just about four minutes left here 2570 01:52:26,860 --> 01:52:24,050 and so I just wanted to ask if you have 2571 01:52:28,540 --> 01:52:26,870 just one more particular case you can 2572 01:52:40,930 --> 01:52:28,550 and then to wrap up the show that you 2573 01:52:43,990 --> 01:52:40,940 can think of and you mentioned you know 2574 01:52:46,690 --> 01:52:44,000 now you've mentioned two triangles is 2575 01:52:50,860 --> 01:52:46,700 that there are a lot of triangles and 2576 01:52:53,250 --> 01:52:50,870 these stories or is that seems like like 2577 01:52:56,110 --> 01:52:53,260 you said more of the later stories 2578 01:52:59,890 --> 01:52:56,120 people are seeing triangular shape UFOs 2579 01:53:01,690 --> 01:52:59,900 rather than disc-shaped UFO s here's a 2580 01:53:04,090 --> 01:53:01,700 real interesting story and it's actually 2581 01:53:06,580 --> 01:53:04,100 happened in Michigan which is not in 2582 01:53:09,490 --> 01:53:06,590 Appalachia but the people that I talked 2583 01:53:11,450 --> 01:53:09,500 to a really nice couple or Tom and 2584 01:53:13,580 --> 01:53:11,460 Thelma Jackson they had grown 2585 01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:13,590 here in southern West Virginia but it 2586 01:53:18,410 --> 01:53:16,770 moved to Michigan to get work which a 2587 01:53:20,750 --> 01:53:18,420 lot of people did back in the 50s and 2588 01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:20,760 60s they moved to the Rust Belt as they 2589 01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:21,840 call it to work in the automotive 2590 01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:24,930 factory or wherever and up in that area 2591 01:53:30,440 --> 01:53:26,730 Detroit and Columbus 2592 01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:30,450 you know those areas but she was to tell 2593 01:53:36,650 --> 01:53:34,410 me a story about as we were talking 2594 01:53:41,230 --> 01:53:36,660 about snow earlier one night it was 2595 01:53:46,630 --> 01:53:44,060 so her son asked if he can go outside 2596 01:53:49,490 --> 01:53:46,640 and play in the snow with the neighbor a 2597 01:53:52,580 --> 01:53:49,500 couple of the neighbor kids and she were 2598 01:53:55,700 --> 01:53:52,590 electively told him he could and as they 2599 01:53:58,220 --> 01:53:55,710 were out there they were building like a 2600 01:54:01,850 --> 01:53:58,230 fort and all of a sudden they look up 2601 01:54:05,930 --> 01:54:01,860 and there's this huge UFO over top of 2602 01:54:10,340 --> 01:54:05,940 them and it shined the light down on on 2603 01:54:12,740 --> 01:54:10,350 her son and he comes in the house and he 2604 01:54:14,420 --> 01:54:12,750 tells his mom about it and you know they 2605 01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:14,430 go out and you know they don't see 2606 01:54:19,340 --> 01:54:17,370 anything but he even tells her he says 2607 01:54:22,730 --> 01:54:19,350 mom do you think I'm going to get sick 2608 01:54:24,890 --> 01:54:22,740 or you know since its shine that light 2609 01:54:27,050 --> 01:54:24,900 on me and you know what are you talking 2610 01:54:29,780 --> 01:54:27,060 about he was only 11 years old at the 2611 01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:29,790 time well it wasn't very long after that 2612 01:54:33,860 --> 01:54:32,010 that he was diagnosed with a brain tumor 2613 01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:33,870 oh my god and he eventually passed I 2614 01:54:38,540 --> 01:54:35,370 know and he eventually passed away it's 2615 01:54:41,210 --> 01:54:38,550 a really sad story and she really felt 2616 01:54:43,850 --> 01:54:41,220 that there was a connection between his 2617 01:54:46,910 --> 01:54:43,860 UFO sighting and her son getting sick 2618 01:54:50,180 --> 01:54:46,920 and passing away and it makes me tear up 2619 01:54:51,530 --> 01:54:50,190 now even to this day talking about it 2620 01:54:53,870 --> 01:54:51,540 and you know when I talk to her about it 2621 01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:53,880 it's a you know it was just a sad story 2622 01:54:59,390 --> 01:54:56,610 but you know it makes you wonder if 2623 01:55:01,460 --> 01:54:59,400 there was some connection or maybe some 2624 01:55:03,890 --> 01:55:01,470 kind of radiation for whatever there's 2625 01:55:06,260 --> 01:55:03,900 been cases like that that's happened in 2626 01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:06,270 the past - and people say there's no 2627 01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:09,690 evidence but you know you've had again 2628 01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:13,410 places where there is crop circles or 2629 01:55:18,410 --> 01:55:15,840 something looks like it's landed or the 2630 01:55:21,380 --> 01:55:18,420 soils disturbed or even they've detected 2631 01:55:24,500 --> 01:55:21,390 radiation so you know there there has 2632 01:55:25,250 --> 01:55:24,510 been evidence but no one necessarily 2633 01:55:27,530 --> 01:55:25,260 wants to 2634 01:55:29,810 --> 01:55:27,540 to become forward at least from 2635 01:55:30,260 --> 01:55:29,820 government agency and says hey yeah this 2636 01:55:33,530 --> 01:55:30,270 is true 2637 01:55:35,660 --> 01:55:33,540 this happened all right right now one 2638 01:55:37,550 --> 01:55:35,670 one thing we just have a minute or so 2639 01:55:39,290 --> 01:55:37,560 here one thing I've noticed you said 2640 01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:39,300 many times and in these sightings is 2641 01:55:45,020 --> 01:55:42,480 that the object shined a light down 2642 01:55:46,970 --> 01:55:45,030 you've said that you know at least four 2643 01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:46,980 times I believe yeah 2644 01:55:52,220 --> 01:55:49,530 I've had several times people yeah that 2645 01:55:55,010 --> 01:55:52,230 life is being down toward the ground 2646 01:55:59,240 --> 01:55:55,020 toward a home even in this case toward 2647 01:56:03,040 --> 01:55:59,250 this young man you know it makes you 2648 01:56:08,890 --> 01:56:03,050 wonder if they're doing some kind of 2649 01:56:11,510 --> 01:56:08,900 scan or you know I always said we go out 2650 01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:11,520 into the jungle or wherever Appalachia 2651 01:56:16,729 --> 01:56:14,880 we take soil samples or we are studying 2652 01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:16,739 the animals you know if you're a 2653 01:56:21,530 --> 01:56:19,410 scientist or whatever and I always feel 2654 01:56:23,330 --> 01:56:21,540 like they're doing the same thing yes 2655 01:56:25,729 --> 01:56:23,340 it's aliens coming down 2656 01:56:29,300 --> 01:56:25,739 they're checking us out that's why 2657 01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:29,310 people probably are abducted that's why 2658 01:56:34,220 --> 01:56:32,010 they're taking soil samples or plant 2659 01:56:36,380 --> 01:56:34,230 samples or water samples you know a lot 2660 01:56:39,380 --> 01:56:36,390 of other UFOs have been seeing over 2661 01:56:42,729 --> 01:56:39,390 water in a couple cases where they've 2662 01:56:45,290 --> 01:56:42,739 been hovering over water and yeah 2663 01:56:47,570 --> 01:56:45,300 there's a raiser for it yeah I'm sorry 2664 01:56:48,110 --> 01:56:47,580 to say though we're often time just real 2665 01:56:49,820 --> 01:56:48,120 quick 2666 01:56:51,740 --> 01:56:49,830 do you have a way someone can reach them 2667 01:56:54,620 --> 01:56:51,750 real easy 2668 01:56:56,240 --> 01:56:54,630 Facebook for this way okay Appalachian 2669 01:56:58,220 --> 01:56:56,250 this for a Research Society they can 2670 01:57:00,200 --> 01:56:58,230 leave a message their necks and all 2671 01:57:03,530 --> 01:57:00,210 right the Facebook will get back with 2672 01:57:04,820 --> 01:57:03,540 them all right Kyle thanks so much glad 2673 01:57:06,710 --> 01:57:04,830 to be on here thanks for having me 2674 01:57:08,630 --> 01:57:06,720 all right take care all right everyone 2675 01:57:09,950 --> 01:57:08,640 so that's it for our show thank you so 2676 01:57:12,260 --> 01:57:09,960 much and I want to thank everyone that 2677 01:57:14,300 --> 01:57:12,270 helps out with the show we are plumb out 2678 01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:14,310 of time we'll be back with repeat guests